Question for my fellow AMERICANS: If Trump had...

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Go back in time to early January.

Suppose that Trump had said, "We have reports of a virus in China. To play it safe, I'm closing all borders and ending all international AND domestic travel and everyone should shelter in place."

How would you have reacted?

I feel that Trump, who was facing impeachment, would have been lampooned. He'd have been accused of using an "imaginary virus" as an excuse to build a wall and to save himself from impeachment. Would any of you have listened to him, given how much you bash him now?

Trump wasn't the only one in the District of Columbia mum on the issue of the virus. I don't recall anyone in the House of Representative OR the Senate (of either party) saying, "Impeachment or not, we've got to be on top of this virus..."

No one was thinking virus / pandemic back in early/mid January. Yet, all I hear now is "Trump should have done more, he knew about this months ago..."

No one else said anything. How can we put this all on ONE MAN?? We're in uncharted territory and I think any president would be in the same boat...regardless of how you feel about Trump and his politics overall.

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None of that actually really matters. What matters is that Joe Biden wins the election.

Why don't you put your politics aside and answer the question honestly? Regardless of how you feel about Trump and his persona and his politics, can you give an honest answer about how YOU would react had Trump called for a lock-down months ago??

The answer is most likely that you'd respond the way I expect. The virus wasn't real to you (or anyone) then, and you'd lampoon Trump. But the virus wasn't real to him (or anyone on Capitol Hill) at that point either.

I wouldn't fault Obama or Bush II or Clinton or Bush I...and I wouldn't fault Biden now if he were president. I don't think anyone saw this coming. In good conscience, I can't blame Trump. I don't think you can blame ONE MAN. And I don't think anyone else in Congress spoke up back in January.

Its funny you accuse me of derailing threads but this is precisely what you do

Your question is prompted by staunch anti-trumpism. You are applying logic, reason and objectivity. But staunch anti-trumpism doesn't care about any of that. It's pretty much orange mad bad no matter what course of action he takes. It is imperative to them to not ever give him an ounce of credit for anything. Unless it can be done as a backhand complement.

He's asking a legitimate question

You derailed the thread by making it about me. Stop pretending that you're smart please. Obviously I agree with what the OP is saying. But I don't think he will get through to the DTS bunch any.

Amen!

As to my answer to your LOADED question, here it is:

I will admit that every word and deed coming from this scumbag is suspect to me.

As an intellectual, however, I am often challenged to listen, observe, and then evaluate, despite the deep resentment I may have that certain people in this world (the most greedy and selfish among us) are given power and authority by an easily manipulated public.

I thought his move to close off incoming air traffic from China was correct.

I thought his *INITIAL* decision to hand this mess over to Pence was as wise as anything he'd ever done.

I found the move to quickly bring Dr. Fauci to the microphone was an all-around Godsend of a decision.

These are the good points.

I found his attempt to turn the Coronavirus threat into a weapon of political warfare was not just immoral, not just asinine, but the kind of failure of leadership that makes me detest those who continue to support him, even as they witness his insanity. The piece of filth called it "A Democrat HOAX" and dismissed the calls to DO SOMETHING about it...IN JANUARY.

Now, if you'll read on, I'll respond to your comments:

"Why don't you put your politics aside and answer the question honestly?"

You mean, the way YOU did, by starting this Trump cheer-leading thread?

"The answer is most likely that you'd respond the way I expect."

So, if you already know every sensible person's answer, that Trump has CONSISTENTLY shown a lack of moral courage, a lack of concern for humanity, and a lack of leadership THROUGHOUT his sham of a presidency, then why do you bother to ask?

"The virus wasn't real to you (or anyone) then, and you'd lampoon Trump."

Speak for your own ignorance, I work in special education and have been urging my colleagues for MONTHS to make hand-washing a top priority in lessons at the preschool I work with frequently. I have been aware of the threat for as long as Trump, and I took action. There is NO EXCUSE for the PRESIDENT of the U.S. to have taken no action WHEN HE IS BRIEFED DAILY on every threat on the horizon. He was WARNED, before Congress was, and MORE STERNLY than they were. YOUR ignorance is not appropriately projected on the rest of us.

Face it, you are a Trumpster, knowledge of facts is anathema to your worldview. Not MINE.

Trump lampoons himself. We really just need to play clips of his "greatest misses" to show what an ass clown he is.

"But the virus wasn't real to him (or anyone on Capitol Hill) at that point either."

Wrong again, and you're repeating yourself. What you fail to understand is that the president's JOB is to oversee the day-to-day functions of government, regardless of what others do or do not know. After all, as president, the best up-to-date information is his to regard, or disregard as he sees fit.

"I wouldn't fault Obama or Bush II or Clinton or Bush I...and I wouldn't fault Biden now if he were president."

Were I to play mind-reader, as you have done here, I would call B.S. on this outright.

"I don't think anyone saw this coming."

Again, projecting your own ignorance. I saw it, the CDC saw it, the WHO saw it, and if the president of the US is calling it an f-ing "HOAX" while the experts are in the middle of advising him to take action, he's no leader.

"In good conscience, I can't blame Trump."

When is a Trumpster EVER "in good conscience"? You elected and support a man whose FIRST instinct is the preservation of his EGO. If you haven't seen it before, I suggest you watch the film of Stephen King's, The Dead Zone, for an example of a politician whose ego is so dangerous, it potentially leads the world to RUIN. What, exactly, do you think his job is? To boost RATINGS for his phony TV reality show? Perhaps he thinks it is. He's mentioned his ratings several times in press conferences, interviews, and rallies. He even did so THIS WEEK when those of us scared to death he's going to kill us all were hoping he'd just PASS THE MIC TO MIKE and let that weazel pretend to be a leader. Pence is better at pretending to be a serious leader than Trump could ever hope to BE.

"I don't think you can blame ONE MAN."

Fool! If you are in a car being driven by a madman toward a cliff as those around him are SHOUTING at him to either turn the wheel, hit the brakes, or just SHUT THE CAR OFF, you most certainly can BLAME the madman. Do you think his job is just to act like a bar stool drunkard and tell us his "feeling" about the crisis being over by Easter, that doctors and nurses are stealing urgently needed medical supplies, or that he has the right to IGNORE governors pleading for federal assistance if they don't KISS HIS ASS to his satisfaction? Trump is no longer a playboy real estate grifter or a phony reality TV billionaire. He, tragically, is POTUS. POTUS's job is take charge in a crisis and IMPROVE the situation.

"And I don't think [anyone else in Congress spoke up back in January]."

You should have just stopped at "And I don't think."

Congress' job is to write laws and ensure funding for government agencies. POTUS is the executive branch's chief executive and if you'd paid attention in school, you'd know that when an executive demonstrates, through his words and actions, that his political survival and fragile child-like ego are vastly more important to him than the survival of those over whom he has assumed authority, it is indeed necessary to remove him from office as quickly as possible. This may be in November, or it may need to be sooner.

Meanwhile, in case you'd care to do some RESEARCH into your own political DRIVEL, you'd see video of your fearless leader calling Covid19 "A Democrat HOAX" at his rallies in JANUARY. Now, as much of an idiot as Trump is, he's at least smart enough not to criticize the Democratic leadership for trying to force HIM to show leadership on something they haven't spoken up on.

As his sheepish, or more appropriately perhaps, LEMMING-LIKE follower, it is understandable that the president who openly declared at a press conference, "No, I don't accept responsibility." would set the example that you live by. You are reacting to the sensible, fact-based observations of those who see that Trump is a failure by attempting to project your own ignorance, partisanship, and all-around intellectual deficits onto those who accurately point out the president's failure.

"Oh yeah? Well what about YOU...?" Is what we here from this president on an almost DAILY basis. He does NOT accept responsibility for his actions, and his supporters don't believe he needs to either.

You are an uninformed, as evidenced by the fact that you mouth off without caring to learn the facts. People are attacking Trump because Trump is a failure as a president at the most horrendous time of crisis ANY OF US has lived through.

Do your own ego a favor, and abandon this thread in shame.

There wouldn't necessarily be a jump to closing things down earlier, because the reason we are "social distancing" is because the virus is here. We are already on fire and this is the public bucket brigade.

We could have been studying the disease earlier, ramping up medical inventories ahead of dire need. Creating an action plan through FEMA to support the country as it was intended. Providing accurate facts and information about the situation period.

It's not Trump's fault that the virus is here. It's the misinformation and the lack of timely response that is the issue. Telling governors that they are on their own to gather medical supplies, and not distributing by need. Declining to be held to any level of responsibility even though he is heading an entire branch of the US government.

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The House would have passed a third impeachment resolution for abuse of power and the Senate would have convicted him on that charge. Republicans would never buck Trump you say, I say the Republican business donors would have been none to happy that Trump tanked the economy when there were no known American cases.

I would have thought that he was a person not in touch with reality who is trying to do another version of the Reichstag fire.

ScoeyB,

Thank you ever so much for your responses. But you never really answered my initial question with your diatribe.

My initial question:

The closest you came to an answer was:



Don't worry about my foolish comments. Answer the initial question HONESTLY. Everything you mentioned here happened in later January / February. (Flights from China weren't stopped until Jan 31).

If on, say, Jan 5th, Trump had done what I suggested, you're telling me you would have approved? I'm glad you've been urging everyone to wash their hands for months, that's great.

What I'm asking is how you would have responded had Trump theoretically enacted travel bans and quarantines the first or second week in January.

Don't worry about me, or Congress, or the WHO, or your opinions on Trump's behavior now. I'm asking how YOU would honestly have reacted back in early January if Trump had done all of this. Not a mind reader, but based on your emotional responses here, I suspect you would have chastised him heavily. But I'm not sure, you never addressed the actual question.

It's a personal question. I'm asking how the you of Jan 5th would have responded to Trump in this hypothetical situation. Are you capable of giving an honest answer?

I think this is how many of us would have felt at the time. That's what I'm asking people. How would you have honestly felt in this hypothetical situation (Trump restricting travel and urging quarantine) back in the first few weeks of January amidst his impeachment and when the virus wasn't "real" to the vast majority of us.

Thank you for an honest reply.

I apologize for not giving you a reply more like that one, which I agree wholeheartedly with. I certainly can't top it.

In light of the current situation, how it coulda/shoulda/woulda been handled differently and how we coulda/shoulda/woulda reacted to it at the time are irrelevant.

All that matters most is what is going on right now and how we get it under control.

You are welcome.

In january I don't think any political affiliation knew CV would spread behond the far east,hindsight is 20/20,by the time anyone left or right knew,it was to damn little to damn late!