Page 1 of 1 [ 6 posts ] 

DarthMetaKnight
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,105
Location: The Infodome

09 Jun 2017, 9:32 pm

Hi all. Today I want to talk about an important issue. In fact, I want to talk about the most important political issue in the world today. Let's talk about lobbying.

Nearly everyone in the US right now knows that the US isn't fully democratic. This is why conspiracy theorists such as Alex Jones and Jeff Rense are becoming so popular. That's how a raving conspiracy nut became the president of the United States. In reality, there is no top-secret organization controlling the United States. Lobbying is the real reason why your country feels outside of your control.

Lobbying is what you call it when the wealthy influence the government with their money. The US government can be controlled in two ways. You can vote, or you can lobby. Of course, you can lobby more effectively if you are wealthy. Thus, the US government primarily serves the rich. They are the ones who have the most control over it after all.

I don't see this as a left-wing or a right-wing issue. This is an issue regarding democracy vs. plutocratic tyranny. We can argue about politics all we want, but it ultimately doesn't matter because our votes practically don't count. The billionaires are practically in complete control.

This is why the Republicans and the Democrats are both warmongers. They receive billionaire funding because they are warmongers. The anti-war candidates usually need to rely on grassroots crowdfunding. It's not like the billionaire class is going to help them. Most of the billionaires have at least some stock in the oil industry and in the weapon industry.

Thus, they want to keep these industries thriving, no matter how many people die horribly. "Whatever. They're just poor people. To Hell with them!" That's how they see you.

I know what you are probably thinking. "How do we end this?" I honestly don't know what all the steps will be. Perhaps America will adopt legal limits on lobbying. These laws already exist in Canada to an extent ... though they don't go far enough in my opinion.

We need to speak to the NWO conspiracy nuts. The NWO conspiracy nuts have it all wrong. We need to replace hysterical Illuminati insanity with a rational, reasonable discussion regarding lobbyists. We also need to tell as many people as possible about this system. It doesn't matter what sort of social change you are fighting for. Telling Average Joe about it is always the first and most crucial step.

Imagine a truly democratic America without lobbyists. It would be the greatest leap forward since the American Revolution.

Another Thing: We shouldn't focus exclusively on Republican lobbyists or Democrat lobbyists. I actually think that the Republicans have said a lot of true things regarding George Soros. Soros is a jerk who is supporting a warmongering party. The only real problem with the Soros "conspiracy theories" is their hypocrisy. If you are going to lash out at Soros, you also need to target Republican lobbyists like the Koch Brothers or else you are a hypocrite.


_________________
Synthetic carbo-polymers got em through man. They got em through mouse. They got through, and we're gonna get out.
-Roostre

READ THIS -> https://represent.us/


techstepgenr8tion
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Feb 2005
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 24,682
Location: 28th Path of Tzaddi

09 Jun 2017, 9:59 pm

Conspiracy theories I think come about in this way - people don't understand recursive processes in dynamic systems, ie. seeming top-down causation without a top. It happens in cloud formation, it happens with human consciousness, it happens with social systems too.

As far as lobbying, it sounds like if anything we'd be better off having our congress stay home, not go to DC, and meet on Skype or whatever else. If they want public opinion they can keep an active Facebook or Twitter presence. I tend to think consolidating power all in one place is generally a really bad idea and maybe the only time it might have been a coy and useful idea was when King Louis XIV built the Palace of Versailles to keep his friends close and his enemies closer.


_________________
The loneliest part of life: it's not just that no one is on your cloud, few can even see your cloud.


Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Arizona

10 Jun 2017, 3:12 am

The only way you'll get rid of lobbyists is with a guillotine.

The NWO is globalism, it is one world government and it's not a conspiracy at all. They want to destroy our quality of life and our culture, they want to steal our sovereignty and with it our freedom. How sick and depraved these powerful people are is beyond belief, I can understand why it can be hard to believe but remember this is behavior the powerful throughout history. We need decentralization not the opposite, more freedom in the hands of the people is what we need not an even more powerful central government.

We have privatized propaganda in America, it's not an accurate reflection of reality and just skews the ulterior motives of the corporate media which has a incestuous relationship with these politicians. It's basically a revolving door with these talking heads and 'columnists', these are political operatives not journalists. You have to basically remove the media if you want to defeat these powerful interests, who cares if you ban corporate donations to the party when corporations completely frame the narrative and decide what is 'true' and 'not true'.



DarthMetaKnight
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,105
Location: The Infodome

10 Jun 2017, 3:46 am

Jacoby wrote:
The NWO is globalism, it is one world government and it's not a conspiracy at all. They want to destroy our quality of life and our culture, they want to steal our sovereignty and with it our freedom. How sick and depraved these powerful people are is beyond belief, I can understand why it can be hard to believe but remember this is behavior the powerful throughout history. We need decentralization not the opposite, more freedom in the hands of the people is what we need not an even more powerful central government.

I still disagree with the people who think that centralization in inherently bad. The United Nations is a from of centralized authority. It has arguably prevented World War 3 several times.

UN members are elected by their country. This is why I have nothing against the UN. UN members who do bad things can be voted out. This gives the people a certain degree of control over the UN.

My political philosophy is all about accountability and empowerment. A tyrannical organization is an organization that controls your life and won't even consider your personal input. Thus, fascist governments are tyrannical. The Soviet government was tyrannical. Monarchies are tyrannical.

Centralization can be a good thing when it prevents wars and supports the less fortunate. I'm only worried about the undemocratic forms of centralized authority.

As long as capitalism continues to exist, we will need government, or else the poor will have no voice. In my opinion, social anarchism is the only type of "small government" that makes any sense.


_________________
Synthetic carbo-polymers got em through man. They got em through mouse. They got through, and we're gonna get out.
-Roostre

READ THIS -> https://represent.us/


Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Arizona

10 Jun 2017, 7:36 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The NWO is globalism, it is one world government and it's not a conspiracy at all. They want to destroy our quality of life and our culture, they want to steal our sovereignty and with it our freedom. How sick and depraved these powerful people are is beyond belief, I can understand why it can be hard to believe but remember this is behavior the powerful throughout history. We need decentralization not the opposite, more freedom in the hands of the people is what we need not an even more powerful central government.

I still disagree with the people who think that centralization in inherently bad. The United Nations is a from of centralized authority. It has arguably prevented World War 3 several times.

UN members are elected by their country. This is why I have nothing against the UN. UN members who do bad things can be voted out. This gives the people a certain degree of control over the UN.

My political philosophy is all about accountability and empowerment. A tyrannical organization is an organization that controls your life and won't even consider your personal input. Thus, fascist governments are tyrannical. The Soviet government was tyrannical. Monarchies are tyrannical.

Centralization can be a good thing when it prevents wars and supports the less fortunate. I'm only worried about the undemocratic forms of centralized authority.

As long as capitalism continues to exist, we will need government, or else the poor will have no voice. In my opinion, social anarchism is the only type of "small government" that makes any sense.


Centralization is inherently undemocratic as it puts power in the hands of fewer and fewer people, the UN is terrible undemocratic institution that empowers/legitimizes tin pot dictators mostly on our dime. When have you ever voted for anything UN related? Nothing substantive ever comes from the UN, it can't even agree on the most basic things. The worst violators will simply veto what isn't in their interest. I have no interest in being in a 'global democracy', a democracy really is only as good as its voters and most of the world is not a free place. How much was democracy worth to Jews in Nazi Germany? You say you oppose war but you still are in love with the idea of their being a 'world police' essentially, you think one big government can/will protect everyone from oppression even tho government is the very tool of oppression. We have to worry about our own country and people's interests, we have to stop moralizing and hypocritically meddling in their affairs of others. This will never be Star Trek.



DarthMetaKnight
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,105
Location: The Infodome

10 Jun 2017, 12:30 pm

I totally disagree with you for the most point, though I can respond to you in two places here.

Jacoby wrote:
I have no interest in being in a 'global democracy', a democracy really is only as good as its voters and most of the world is not a free place.

Stop. Stop right there. Think about what you just said.

Yes. Most of the world is not a free place. Why is that?

American economic imperialism is a huge factor. Most African dictators are supported by Western megacorps. Quite a few of these African dictators are selling out their own people so that they can live in mansions. A typical African dictator will ban unions so that African workers must accept low wages. Why do they sell out their on people like this? The American diamond industry pays them to do this.

Read about the history of De Beers. The company was founded by Cecil Rhodes, who was basically a demon in human form.

Most people in this world want freedom. They keep their mouths shut because they don't want to be sent to a gulag, but they secretly yearn for liberty.

Most people who genuinely hate liberty are wealthy tyrants who benefit when other people lack liberty.

Quote:
How much was democracy worth to Jews in Nazi Germany?


Germany was destabilized by the Treaty of Versailles, which was a monstrous piece of tyrannical legislation.

Does this remind you of anything that is happening in the world today? It should.

The people of the third world may seem scary, but they are Homo sapiens just like you. They live beneath the iron heel of the plutocrats, but they secretly yearn for liberty just like you.

I've read about African dictators. Most of them struggle to supress democratic dissidents.

Too many people think that the brutality of the third world is caused by "primitive culture" or whatever. This is a classic example of othering and dehumanization. Many of these violent men in the third world are bravely protecting their wives and children from bloodthirsty corporate puppets. That sounds like manly heroism to me.

Fight the power. Resist. Don't be such a misanthrope.


_________________
Synthetic carbo-polymers got em through man. They got em through mouse. They got through, and we're gonna get out.
-Roostre

READ THIS -> https://represent.us/