Do you know that the God of the Bible exists?

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Do you know that the God of the Bible exists?
yes 28%  28%  [ 5 ]
no 72%  72%  [ 13 ]
Total votes : 18

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02 Jun 2007, 2:46 pm

I'm doing this just because it seemed that the other poll had odd wording with the possible double negative of "no the god of the bible doesn't exist"....which means that the god of the bible does exist.


so this one is much easier.



edit: okay, so it isn't easier because it now simply means either you know it exists or you don't...eh, if you answer no then specify.



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02 Jun 2007, 2:55 pm

I do not know this god exists. Therefore I doubt it very much.



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02 Jun 2007, 2:57 pm

God doesnt exisat there for no! I dont believe in santa god.



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02 Jun 2007, 3:21 pm

I do not know Santa exists. Therefore I doubt it very much.



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02 Jun 2007, 3:23 pm

skafather84 wrote:
I'm doing this just because it seemed that the other poll had odd wording with the possible double negative of "no the god of the bible doesn't exist"....which means that the god of the bible does exist.


so this one is much easier.



edit: okay, so it isn't easier because it now simply means either you know it exists or you don't...eh, if you answer no then specify.


I don't know intellectually that the God of the Bible exists. There's no way to calculate the intelligence-multiplier required to boost my brain to that capacity. But I know in my spirit that He exists. I realize that is not evidence. That cannot be presented from one human to others. Therefore, others are free, and logically sound, to disagree. They are also logically sound if they agree, because there's simply no physical or intellectual proof-positive that He exists or doesn't exist.

So, to those who only consider the knowledge of the brain, and not the knowledge of the spirit, then, I do not know that God exists.

Nevertheless, He does.



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02 Jun 2007, 3:26 pm

Ragtime wrote:
I do not know that God exists.

Nevertheless, He does.

Surely that is a contradiction?
You are saying you do not know he exists.
Then you state that he definitely does.
Does that not then mean that you know he exists?



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02 Jun 2007, 3:28 pm

Well im not privvy to that information, so im gonna vote No.



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02 Jun 2007, 3:28 pm

Sopho wrote:
I do not know Santa exists. Therefore I doubt it very much.


But, you can prove he doesn't do what all his supporters say he does. ;). Therefore, if Santa exists, he's a liar.

But you can't prove that God doesn't do what they Bible says He does, and did.



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02 Jun 2007, 3:30 pm

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I do not know that God exists.

Nevertheless, He does.

Surely that is a contradiction?
You are saying you do not know he exists.
Then you state that he definitely does.
Does that not then mean that you know he exists?


Way to go, Out-Of-Context-Man.



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02 Jun 2007, 3:30 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
I do not know Santa exists. Therefore I doubt it very much.


But, you can prove he doesn't do what all his supporters say he does. ;). Therefore, if Santa exists, he's a liar.

But you can't prove that God doesn't do what they Bible says He does, and did.

I am just as convinced, if not more convinced, that Adam and Eve did not exist, as I am that Santa doesn't leave presents under my tree every year. 8)
Most of what is written in the Bible is just as ridiculous as Santa and his flying reindeer.



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02 Jun 2007, 3:31 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I do not know that God exists.

Nevertheless, He does.

Surely that is a contradiction?
You are saying you do not know he exists.
Then you state that he definitely does.
Does that not then mean that you know he exists?


Way to go, Out-Of-Context-Man.

How does that make me Out-Of-Context-Man?
You said you didn't know he exists, then you said he definitely does. I was commenting on that.



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02 Jun 2007, 3:31 pm

The knowledge of the brain eh? Seeing as those with AS are based purely on logic, that puts us at quite a disadvantage.

Further, imagine if you were born in India. It would be almost certain that you would believe in whatever Hindu God's they have. A Christian comes along and tries to convert you, to which you obviously decline as your faith is so powerful. You believe it with your whole essence. You live a moral and respectful life, you say your daily prayers and do all that your God has laid out for you in your holy text.

Then you burn in a Christian Hell for eternity. How is that fair? Where is the kind, just, loving and eternally forgiving God now? Being born in India was out of his hands. It's all up to chance what religion you believe/don't believe in.

As such, being a good person by one's own understanding should be more than enough to qualify for whatever heaven does exist. I was just 'unlucky' that I was born into an atheist household and believe what my parents do. I should not be punished for following my beliefs to the best of my knowledge.

Would you be content burning in a Hindu hell if it turned out that that was the true religion?


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02 Jun 2007, 3:34 pm

Sopho wrote:
I do not know this god exists. Therefore I doubt it very much.


The second sentence is not a "therefore" to the first. The first posits a 50/50 probability. The second posits that one of the two possibilities is far more unlikely than the other. You've added a variable somewhere, Sopho. Your "then" does not logically proceed from your "if".



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02 Jun 2007, 3:36 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
I do not know this god exists. Therefore I doubt it very much.


The second sentence is not a "therefore" to the first. The first posits a 50/50 probability. The second posits that one of the two possibilities is far more unlikely than the other. You've added a variable somewhere, Sopho. Your "then" does not logically proceed from your "if".


Or it could mean that she is skeptical of what she does not know to be true.


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02 Jun 2007, 3:40 pm

Sopho wrote:
Most of what is written in the Bible is just as ridiculous as Santa and his flying reindeer.


And you'd know that by doing...what?



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02 Jun 2007, 3:43 pm

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I do not know that God exists.

Nevertheless, He does.

Surely that is a contradiction?
You are saying you do not know he exists.
Then you state that he definitely does.
Does that not then mean that you know he exists?


Way to go, Out-Of-Context-Man.

How does that make me Out-Of-Context-Man?
You said you didn't know he exists, then you said he definitely does. I was commenting on that.


Sorry, I'm doing this all on a li'l Blackberry -- I didn't mean to transfer Kosmo's title of Out-Of-Context-Man to you. My appologies. But, since you asked, it's out of context because you cut my sentence in half. You would be correct in asserting that my brain does not know that God exists.