Joe Biden’s Presidential aspirations and the reckoning

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03 Apr 2019, 2:37 pm

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He's always been a creep, but of course the Democrats didn't care because he was on their side.

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03 Apr 2019, 6:16 pm

'I'll be more mindful and respectful': Biden releases video confronting allegations of unwanted touching

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n a video released Wednesday, former Vice President Joe Biden promised to be more "mindful and respectful" of people's personal space in response to mounting allegations of unwanted and inappropriate behavior.

Biden, who is considering a bid for the White House in 2020, said his touching was all about making a "human connection."

"It's just who I am," Biden says in the video. "I've never thought of politics as cold or antiseptic."

He continued, explaining his close contact with people is his way of showing people he cares.

"I’ve always tried to be, in my career, I’ve always tried to make a human connection. That’s my responsibility, I think. I shake hands, I hug people, I grab men and women by the shoulders and say you can do this,” Biden said. “It’s the way I’ve always been. It’s the way I’ve tried to show I care about them and I’m listening.”

But, the former vice president said he understood that times have changed and with that, so should his behavior. "I get it. I get it. I hear what they're saying. I understand," Biden says. "I’ll be much more mindful."

"I’ll always believe that governing, quite frankly, life for that matter, is about connecting with people," Biden says. "That won’t change but I will be more mindful and respectful of people’s personal space— and that’s a good thing."

The video comes on the heels of at least four women who have accused the former vice president of unwanted touching and kissing.

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03 Apr 2019, 6:52 pm

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'I'll be more mindful and respectful': Biden releases video confronting allegations of unwanted touching

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That sounds like a good apology to me, like he understands where his mistake was and won't repeat it. I don't think he ever had malicious or perverse intentions, that wasn't the impression I ever got from his public behaviour--he always just seemed like an ebullient and emotive person, and his gestures seem like genuine expressions of his personality. I don't think he meant to make anyone uncomfortable on purpose, he just didn't understand that not everyone likes touchy-feeliness. But it sounds like he gets that different people have different personal boundaries with their bodies and their space and he means to be more mindful of that in his future interactions. That's my reading of this whole situation.

I still don't think he makes the best candidate though, so I don't understand why he's so popular. I personally think he should retire from politics, let the new generation move things along. I think there are others who have a better chance to win and are better suited for the office and for the times we find ourselves in.

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03 Apr 2019, 7:48 pm

^ I didn't watch that whole thing, but going along with it there's another clip of Jeff Sessions at some function with his granddaughter, and Biden starts moving on the little girl and you can see Sessions slap his hand out of the way – he knew what Biden was about.

And remember, this is the guy Obama picked twice as Vice President.

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03 Apr 2019, 9:58 pm

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It is a long watch. I can't even remember why I watched this video , I think I was going through a body language phase and this came up , then again someone here might of mentioned creepy Biden and I looked into it.

Jeff Sessions is being sworn in in this clip ( 20:13 ) and although it may appear that he swats Bidens hand away it looks more like he's fixing his GD's hair but that could be a subtle way of saying 'f**k off'. The analyst doesn't mention it but does comment on Sessions taking control.

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03 Apr 2019, 10:45 pm

^ Yes, that's the clip. Sessions flaps his hand there just as Biden is reaching for the little girl's head. Can't really see clearly enough if Sessions is straightening the girl's hair or moving Biden out of the way, or both at the same time, but Biden doesn't continue to make the move he was starting to make after Sessions does that.

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03 Apr 2019, 10:57 pm

This is the one I think he was lucky to survive.

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04 Apr 2019, 9:28 am

Yeah it’s the kid cuddling that is the real problem with Biden. It’s not the “women” like the media is saying. No one cares about that. But what I don’t get is why in the world are the democrats doing this to him? Biden is a great public speaker and as far as I remember his policies are reasonable. The cuddling is his only real problem, but I don’t think most people knew about it until recently. He comes off as pretty likeable. They could have easily cut out all the awkward moments and sound bit him to the top.

I have been wondering for awhile if Trump has some kind of rouge agent over there with the the democrats encouraging this socialist stuff. Because it’s going into candy land. Making a mockery of people who do believe in that socioeconomic system and wanted to integrate it with the current US system.

I think Biden’s people must be mismanaging him just like I think Hillary’s people mismanaged her. She also should have done better than she did. She started out fairly popular and ended up not, with all her business exposed. When these guys had been easily hiding their dirty laundry for ages. Hmm.

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04 Apr 2019, 11:11 am

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There is no way this was going to stay hidden. This stuff is all on video and as I demonstrated in the OP there were critical articles about this back in 2015 when he was VP before #MeToo.

Reposting what I wrote in the OP
"As said in the Time Magazine article that type of touching and kissing not unusual for people in that age group. My relatives and friends of the family male and female touched and kissed me like that all the time when I was a kid. It was very uncomfortable but it was my touch sensitivities. I thought then as I do now it was loving, not sexual. My first inclination and still what I still feel is that Biden’s behaviors is being naive for these times. A real pedo would usually try and hide it, not demonstrate their pedophilia with TV cameras running and the kids parents right there. That said being so touchy-feely with non relatives and kids who are strangers was never normal as far I can remember."

His behaviors are abnormal from what I have seen. My relatives stopped doing that to me when I hit puberty. I never saw people behaving that way in formal settings such as a swearing-in ceremony.

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04 Apr 2019, 11:25 am

He can run but he should not get the democratic nomination.

Even before all this I didn't think he would be a great pick I wasn't entirely thrilled with the Obama Administration so having the vice president of that administration as president doesn't really appeal. But also if the democrats want to be real about holding people responsible for their inappropriate behavior...they also have to hold democratic politicians to the same standard.

I hear Biden would like to try and change his behavior, but it is what it is, not sure nominating him over some of the other potential candidates who haven't exhibited such behavior would send the best message.

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04 Apr 2019, 2:42 pm

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There are two things democratic voters should consider: "would this person be an effective president", "can this person beat Donald Trump in a general election." If you think Biden's behavior makes him less effective as president or less likely to beat Donald Trump than by all means hold that against him at the ballot box. If you think it sends a bad message but doesn't affect those two criteria than it shouldn't factor in.

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04 Apr 2019, 4:36 pm

Biden is an establishment shill and looks like he has a thing for children. He should be locked away for his crimes as Vice president anyway.

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04 Apr 2019, 4:50 pm

I saw a collage of pictures on Facebook, showing Biden being touchy-feely with men. It was designed to prove that he is the same way with guy's, thus proving that he wasn't a creepy guy. One of the pictures was with his late son, and others were very obviously Photoshopped. It's unbelievable the lengths partisans will go to be apologists for candidates from their team. I'm so tired of this s**t.

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04 Apr 2019, 4:57 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

Biden is an establishment shill and looks like he has a thing for children. He should be locked away for his crimes as Vice president anyway.

That is a long bow to draw...
If he was a republican I suspect you wouldn't be making these comments...

And consider:
Perhaps Joe skylarks as Santa clause in the holiday season and carries that mindset over... :mrgreen:

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04 Apr 2019, 5:18 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:

Biden is an establishment shill and looks like he has a thing for children. He should be locked away for his crimes as Vice president anyway.

Pretty sure JohnPowell is anti all american establishment politicians: Trump, Pence, Obama, Biden, Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Gore, Bush, Quayle, Reagan, Bush and so on and so forth. He can correct me if I've misrepresented him.

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