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18 Jan 2018, 5:05 pm

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Denying white privilege is in itself racist.


Demonstrate how. Provide something resembling a vague logical progression. Include an explanation as to how one individual white woman drawing solely on her own subjective experiences can propose widespread generalisations about people based solely on the colour of their skin without it being racist.

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And pseudo-religious dogma? Pick up a book on Protestant theology.


Again you fail at basic comprehension. Should I be concerned for you, Bill? Do I need to break everything down into bite-size chunks and make aeroplane sounds as I feed them to you on a spoon?

Or is it that you're so wrapped up in identity politics that you'll deliberately ram a crowbar into anything you believe you can plausibly misrepresent, prying it all out of shape in order to increase your standing in the economy of victimhood?


Because you deny the obvious - whites will more likely be hired than blacks or Latinos, will be regarded as less criminal, will be less likely stopped by the police, will be less likely accused of getting a job through Affirmative Action, etc, etc, etc. You seem to be insisting that racial minorities get an equal shake by society as do whites, which would mean that they are all less intelligent, and less capable, all the while being less law abiding than whites if it were true. That is clearly racist.
To admit to the existence of white privilege hardly means that all whites have all the success in the world, because too many white working people are falling behind. But more blacks and Latinos face lack of opportunity, and face suspicion than whites.


Good post. You'll only make the mouth breathers angry though. They like to fume & rage at statements and headlines, being asked to look deeper than that at the nuances of life will only make then stamp their feet and get mad.


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18 Jan 2018, 5:08 pm

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Because you deny the obvious - whites will more likely be hired than blacks or Latinos, will be regarded as less criminal, will be less likely stopped by the police, will be less likely accused of getting a job through Affirmative Action, etc, etc, etc. You seem to be insisting that racial minorities get an equal shake by society as do whites, which would mean that they are all less intelligent, and less capable, all the while being less law abiding than whites if it were true. That is clearly racist.
To admit to the existence of white privilege hardly means that all whites have all the success in the world, because too many white working people are falling behind. But more blacks and Latinos face lack of opportunity, and face suspicion than whites.


Affirmative action is a privileged enshrined into law, if ethnic minorities do not like people assuming they only got the job because of it then they should speak against it.


You are aware that Affirmative Action exists solely because racial minorities were getting the short end of the stick in regard to education and employment, don't you?
But instead of damning Affirmative Action, why not fight to erase racism so it won't be necessary anymore?


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18 Jan 2018, 5:27 pm

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Because you deny the obvious - whites will more likely be hired than blacks or Latinos, will be regarded as less criminal, will be less likely stopped by the police, will be less likely accused of getting a job through Affirmative Action, etc, etc, etc. You seem to be insisting that racial minorities get an equal shake by society as do whites, which would mean that they are all less intelligent, and less capable, all the while being less law abiding than whites if it were true. That is clearly racist.
To admit to the existence of white privilege hardly means that all whites have all the success in the world, because too many white working people are falling behind. But more blacks and Latinos face lack of opportunity, and face suspicion than whites.


Affirmative action is a privileged enshrined into law, if ethnic minorities do not like people assuming they only got the job because of it then they should speak against it.


You are aware that Affirmative Action exists solely because racial minorities were getting the short end of the stick in regard to education and employment, don't you?
But instead of damning Affirmative Action, why not fight to erase racism so it won't be necessary anymore?


Don't you think Affirmative action breeds racism? Why are innocent people being punished because others are racist?



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18 Jan 2018, 5:39 pm

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Because you deny the obvious


Citation needed.

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- whites will more likely be hired than blacks or Latinos, will be regarded as less criminal, will be less likely stopped by the police, will be less likely accused of getting a job through Affirmative Action, etc, etc, etc. You seem to be insisting that racial minorities get an equal shake by society as do whites, which would mean that they are all less intelligent, and less capable, all the while being less law abiding than whites if it were true.

That is clearly racist.


No, Bill. That is clearly a whopping strawman, seasoned with ad hominem and wrapped in yet more moronic identity fluff. It's also a transparent evasion of the challenge which I posited, as well as a redundant exercise in demonstrating your inability to understand my perspective in light of the fact you've already admitted as much.

You haven't got any principles upon which to stand, only a flimsy platform built on the backs of minorities you claim to care so deeply for - yet your interest in them seems to extend only as far as their usefulness as a tool with which you can weakly flail at people in the vain hope that they'll stop pointing out the gaping holes in your arguments.

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To admit to the existence of white privilege hardly means that all whites have all the success in the world, because too many white working people are falling behind.


They're falling behind because they have immutable privilege? I couldn't possibly come up with a more apt analogy for cognitive dissonance if I tried. That you can even type the above without taking the next logical step of realising that de-collectivising privilege doesn't in any way impact any minorities, whilst simultaneously explaining the widespread existence of unsuccessful white people in Western nations, is genuinely staggering.

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But more blacks and Latinos face lack of opportunity, and face suspicion than whites.


Won't someone please think of the children!

Now, about that demonstration I asked for? If your position is as self-evidently true as you claim it to be, I expect you'll have no trouble at all providing a response to my objection of the racist position you're defending.


No, it's not a strawman to say that whites are more likely to be hired over racial minorities, it is a fact.
I have provided examples - black and Latino unemployment is unconscionably high. Are you going to disagree with that fact?
You say I say: whites are falling behind "because they have immutable privilege?" I think you need to check your reading comprehension.
And, "think of the children!" Talk about strawmen!
The fact remains, white privilege is real. It doesn't mean most of us exercise it consciously, or deliberately to grind down minorities. Privilege is something you almost never notice you have. But to deny it is to say that certain Americans who are not white are intellectually inferior, and criminally inclined. I refuse to believe that.
But let's start over - do you believe racism exists? Do you accept that not all Americans are looked upon as equals, and that this more often than not is based on skin color?


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18 Jan 2018, 5:50 pm

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Because you deny the obvious - whites will more likely be hired than blacks or Latinos, will be regarded as less criminal, will be less likely stopped by the police, will be less likely accused of getting a job through Affirmative Action, etc, etc, etc. You seem to be insisting that racial minorities get an equal shake by society as do whites, which would mean that they are all less intelligent, and less capable, all the while being less law abiding than whites if it were true. That is clearly racist.
To admit to the existence of white privilege hardly means that all whites have all the success in the world, because too many white working people are falling behind. But more blacks and Latinos face lack of opportunity, and face suspicion than whites.


Affirmative action is a privileged enshrined into law, if ethnic minorities do not like people assuming they only got the job because of it then they should speak against it.


You are aware that Affirmative Action exists solely because racial minorities were getting the short end of the stick in regard to education and employment, don't you?
But instead of damning Affirmative Action, why not fight to erase racism so it won't be necessary anymore?


Don't you think Affirmative action breeds racism? Why are innocent people being punished because others are racist?


No, racists use Affirmative Action to justify their racial resentment.
And who's being punished by Affirmative Action? White men? Are white men victims because they get 95% of jobs and entrance into college and housing, instead of 100%?


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18 Jan 2018, 5:55 pm

Individuals are being punished it doesn't matter what colour they are, you are an individual not an ethnicity.



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18 Jan 2018, 6:08 pm

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Individuals are being punished it doesn't matter what colour they are, you are an individual not an ethnicity.


Yes, we all should be regarded as the individuals that we are, but sadly enough, that's not the case when it comes to hiring, college entrance, and housing, where people have historically been discriminated against because of color. Discrimination didn't appear with Affirmative Action, and the racism that created a need for it is still an active part in too much of our culture.


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18 Jan 2018, 6:11 pm

But there is a difference between citizens discriminating against people and the government discriminating against people.



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18 Jan 2018, 6:19 pm

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But there is a difference between citizens discriminating against people and the government discriminating against people.


Meaning that the government discriminates against whites with Affirmative Action? Then what is to be done about racism holding other citizens down? That, and until the mid twentieth century, the government had been responsible for stepping on minorities prior to an attempt to redress abuses of the past, such as Affirmative Action.


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18 Jan 2018, 6:24 pm

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But there is a difference between citizens discriminating against people and the government discriminating against people.


Meaning that the government discriminates against whites with Affirmative Action? Then what is to be done about racism holding other citizens down? That, and until the mid twentieth century, the government had been responsible for stepping on minorities prior to an attempt to redress abuses of the past, such as Affirmative Action.


The US government discriminates against whites but more so Asians. Its not the fault of an 18 year old that slavery and segregation happened why should they be punished?



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18 Jan 2018, 7:58 pm

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But there is a difference between citizens discriminating against people and the government discriminating against people.


Meaning that the government discriminates against whites with Affirmative Action? Then what is to be done about racism holding other citizens down? That, and until the mid twentieth century, the government had been responsible for stepping on minorities prior to an attempt to redress abuses of the past, such as Affirmative Action.


The US government discriminates against whites but more so Asians. Its not the fault of an 18 year old that slavery and segregation happened why should they be punished?


It's not about punishing anyone, but about righting wrongs that are still holding some Americans back.


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18 Jan 2018, 8:07 pm

But the people concerned were not the ones who were wronged or the people who wronged them it punishes people for their skin colour in the name of anti racism, when it in reality fuels it.



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But the people concerned were not the ones who were wronged or the people who wronged them it punishes people for their skin colour in the name of anti racism, when it in reality fuels it.


Again it's not about punishing anyone, but with making those citizens who belong to groups that still are held back by racism equals to everyone else.


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18 Jan 2018, 8:51 pm

The goal may not be to punish people but that is the effect. They are not being held back by everyone else they may be being held back by a racist minority.



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18 Jan 2018, 9:31 pm

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The goal may not be to punish people but that is the effect. They are not being held back by everyone else they may be being held back by a racist minority.


How are whites being punished? I certainly never felt punished for being white.


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18 Jan 2018, 9:37 pm

White female Westerner here.

Not at all oppressed.

Don't believe in the "privilege" model of society, either.


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