Why do all white males get judged for privilege?

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We'll start with the belief that white people are born into original sin. Or, absent hyperbole, we can go with the long-established definition of racism:

"A belief that one’s own racial or ethnic group is superior, or that other such groups represent a threat to one's cultural identity, racial integrity, or economic well-being; (also) a belief that the members of different racial or ethnic groups possess specific characteristics, abilities, or qualities, which can be compared and evaluated."


"White privilege" is a racist concept. Period.



As an argument in support of "white privilege".



"By the way, I have a black friend, so..."

Yes, you can be racist against your own race.



If you can't discern what my argument is, perhaps you should take longer to gather your thoughts prior to posting.



"My in-group is pure! It's my out-group you need to look out for! They're all wrong-uns!"

If you seriously believe you belong to a special ideological demographic that's immune to being swept up in the wake of a personality cult, you're potentially far more dangerous than any Trump supporter, including (perhaps especially) the ultra-minority of actual white supremacists who rightly encounter near universal scorn from virtually everyone who is not a white supremacist (i.e. virtually everyone).

Infantile identity politics played a huge role in Trump's rise to power. It's way past time everyone grew up and recognised this.

0.000559% for blacks
0.000196% of whites
0.033333% of being struck by lighting.
We are far more likely to be stricken by lighting but most people don’t worry about it.
So as a black person they 0.000363% more likely to be shot by a cop. It’s not a whole lot more likely.

We aren’t even talking about 1% here

But when it does happen, it's very conspicuous. And that doesn't count the times cops falsely arrest and hassle blacks. And yes I know, it does happen to whites, too.

That's gotta be about the stupidest argument for me being a racist I've ever read! (If you want to b***h to the mods that I called you stupid, be my guest.)
If anything, Trump won in large part due to playing up to the identity politics of whites who realize they're losing ground economically and socially. But instead of blaming those who are really responsible for that - big corporations who cut wages and benefits, and off shore jobs to the third world out of love for money over country - they blame those who have it worse than themselves; namely immigrants both legal and illegal, racial minorities, poor people on public assistance, etc. Trump didn't create the lie that there wasn't enough prosperity to go around, and that the "other" were hoarding all that prosperity at the white working people's expense, but he definitely played up to this pre-existing lie.
As far as original sin goes - I'm a Lutheran, so you can bet I know it's part of the human condition for everyone, equally. So no, I'm not singling out white people alone.

"Suggesting I have racist beliefs just because I promote racist ideas is stupid".

If you stop supporting racist ideas I'll refrain from pointing out that you support racist ideas.



Are you saying that you intended to call me stupid? If so, it goes a long way to explaining the problem you have understanding other people's posts, as you didn't communicate that very effectively. Next time try "you're stupid" rather than "your argument is stupid" (especially if you can't actually provide a counter-argument or if you then neglect to explain what part you think of as "stupid").



See "Infantile identity politics". Also see "They're all wrong-uns". Thus far you're broadly in alignment with my "stupid" arguments, though we differ on our perception of the relevance of 'white identity'.



"Rather than address any of the points you made, I'm going to launch into a rant about those horrible people in my out-group again and hope you won't notice"

I don't care about your partisan squabble with Republicans - hypothetical, straw or otherwise - and I give your opinion of them as much credence as I'd give to their perception of Democrats - which is to say little-to-none. Even if they're performing witchcraft and eating babies, it doesn't justify the promotion of racist ideas.



Likewise, I'm not interested in your beef with the POTUS. You might want to consider writing him a letter.



Nor do I care about your faith, though I'd have far less of a problem if you were spouting religious doctrine rather than pseudo-religious dogma.

I have only heard 'white privilege' being used in specific situations where it may seem appropriate, but I have never heard anyone say 'all white males have privilege'

Denying white privilege is in itself racist. Addressing it is not racism against whites.
And pseudo-religious dogma? Pick up a book on Protestant theology. And the real thing, not that fundie/holy roller crap.

Demonstrate how. Provide something resembling a vague logical progression. Include an explanation as to how one individual white woman drawing solely on her own subjective experiences can propose widespread generalisations about people based solely on the colour of their skin without it being racist.



Again you fail at basic comprehension. Should I be concerned for you, Bill? Do I need to break everything down into bite-size chunks and make aeroplane sounds as I feed them to you on a spoon?

Or is it that you're so wrapped up in identity politics that you'll deliberately ram a crowbar into anything you believe you can plausibly misrepresent, prying it all out of shape in order to increase your standing in the economy of victimhood?

This is why the left is dying it used to be working class people standing up for working class people now its middle class people calling working class men privileged. I am a white man living in western Europe I have never had a privileged position within my society, people look at upper class men and see their privilege and associate that with all men its stupid.

I wouldn't say you don't have privileges, but they're the privileges that come with being in a nation that has an objectively higher standard of living than at any time in history (or than the majority of current, less-developed nations), and yet that alone is not a marker for success, a protection against hardship or a guarantee of security, well-being, happiness, etc.

I will summarily reject any ideology or faction which, as a core tenet, holds to the idea that we should sacrifice the rights of the smallest minority - the individual - in favour of the rights of a collective. To do otherwise is to reject liberalism.

That's why I said Within my society and not globally, by global standards all of us on this forum are privileged.

Yep. We've all some form of access to the internet for one thing.

Because you deny the obvious - whites will more likely be hired than blacks or Latinos, will be regarded as less criminal, will be less likely stopped by the police, will be less likely accused of getting a job through Affirmative Action, etc, etc, etc. You seem to be insisting that racial minorities get an equal shake by society as do whites, which would mean that they are all less intelligent, and less capable, all the while being less law abiding than whites if it were true. That is clearly racist.
To admit to the existence of white privilege hardly means that all whites have all the success in the world, because too many white working people are falling behind. But more blacks and Latinos face lack of opportunity, and face suspicion than whites.

Good post. You'll only make the mouth breathers angry though. They like to fume & rage at statements and headlines, being asked to look deeper than that at the nuances of life will only make then stamp their feet and get mad.

Affirmative action is a privileged enshrined into law, if ethnic minorities do not like people assuming they only got the job because of it then they should speak against it.

Citation needed.



No, Bill. That is clearly a whopping strawman, seasoned with ad hominem and wrapped in yet more moronic identity fluff. It's also a transparent evasion of the challenge which I posited, as well as a redundant exercise in demonstrating your inability to understand my perspective in light of the fact you've already admitted as much.

You haven't got any principles upon which to stand, only a flimsy platform built on the backs of minorities you claim to care so deeply for - yet your interest in them seems to extend only as far as their usefulness as a tool with which you can weakly flail at people in the vain hope that they'll stop pointing out the gaping holes in your arguments.



They're falling behind because they have immutable privilege? I couldn't possibly come up with a more apt analogy for cognitive dissonance if I tried. That you can even type the above without taking the next logical step of realising that de-collectivising privilege doesn't in any way impact any minorities, whilst simultaneously explaining the widespread existence of unsuccessful white people in Western nations, is genuinely staggering.



Won't someone please think of the children!

Now, about that demonstration I asked for? If your position is as self-evidently true as you claim it to be, I expect you'll have no trouble at all providing a response to my objection of the racist position you're defending.