Did God rape and impregnate a married woman?

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And why am I supposed to think a god who did such a thing to a woman is someone I should not only believe in, but love and worship?

If an all powerful all knowing creator exists then he is responsible for every rape.

Well technically maleness is toxic and a loan male deity most toxic of all, penises are rape devices by design, and Mary might have consented when talking to Gabriel but we don't know that for certain because yes, under such circumstances, clearly could have meant no, so this is yet another story of terrible top-down patriarchal abuse and oppression.

Much better odds - it never happened and this is just a particular first-century edit of ancient stories like Tammuz and Ishtar, Osiris and Isis, cosmic masculine and feminine, sun and moon, fire and water, etc.. In that case no actual woman was likely to have received a quid-pro-quo from the heights of Olympus, although if you were Greek that was a normal thing (so who knows - maybe that aspect makes it Hellenism-friendly).

Nawww.

He just did some artificial insemination on her. Like she was a prize heifer.

No, God raped and impregnated an engaged woman. She wasn't married yet.

Considering this event is known as the immaculate conception and the woman was described as a virgin mother, obviously no sexual intercourse of any form took place. Furthermore it took place with the woman's foreknowledge and concent. So the concept of rape being involved is inapplicable.

Concent? She could have just been intimidated into agreeing. It would be easy for a 13 year old girl to feel intimidated was the literal king of the universe.

Not according to the story.

Elaborate

A little nit pick here.

That actually is not what the phrase "Immaculate Conception" means.

Yes, she was a virgin. Yes the conception was miraculous. And you're not alone in the confusion. A billion other folks also wrongly think the term 'immaculate conception" refers to Christ being conceived miraculously to a virgin. But NO. That is not what the phrase refers to. It refers to the earlier moment when the Virgin Mary herself was conceived. Its a mind warp for me too to keep that distinction in mind, but that's what it is.

"The immaculate conception" is the Catholic doctrine that when the Virgin Mary was herself conceived (the normal way humans and mammals are all conceived) that she was conceived free of Original Sin.

Adam and Eve got us all screwed when they ate the apple and got us all shaded by that "Original Sin". But the Virgin Mary was an exception, and got a free pass from original sin when she was born/concieved. Thus her conception was "immaculate": (ie clean of the stain of Adam and Eve's Original sin).

When Jesus said "none of you are righteous, not even one", was Mary excluded from this? Was he referring to the entirety of the human race or only those present?

Catechism of the Catholic Church:
"He was conceived by the Power of the Holy Spirit and Born of the Virgin Mary"

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... 22a3p2.htm

Let us remember how many varieties of "Christian" there are, and each may have its own interpretation.

Mary was ordinarily conceived and then made Immaculate, free from Original Sin.

All this stuff really turns my stomach.

Last edited by Claradoon on 19 Feb 2018, 8:37 am, edited 1 time in total.

After his mom was born she probably returned a view VHS tapes to the renter without rewinding them, and failed to remove the occasional tag from mattresses that she bought. Probably played cards for money a few times. So even though she was free of "Original Sin" when she was born she probably committed at least a few of her own original sins after she was born. Lol!

That's all well and good but why does she have to remove the tags from the mattresses she bought?

Maybe she was autistic—-and just didn’t like the feeling of the tag while she was sleeping.

My bad.

I shoulda said that she DID remove the tags from mattresses. Not that she "failed" to do so.

Removing is the sin. Not failure to remove.

Its a running joke, but I told it the wrong way around.

For decades mattresses in the USA have been manufactured with tags on the bottom that sternly warn that "you cant remove tag under penalty of law" or some such. The tags are addressed to the retail merchants who sell the mattresses. Not to the consumer. The store cant remove them. But some consumers wrongly assume that the message is for them, the consumer. So they...dutifully leave the stupid fraying tags on their mattresses for years and years. Hence the running the running joke about not removing them.