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DarthMetaKnight
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01 Feb 2018, 12:27 am

Hi all. Today I want to talk about the LGBT rights movement for a while. As many of you may know, I am a supporter of LGBT rights. That being said, I find that many LGBT rights activists are a tad incompetent. In this thread, I am going to give some advice.

1# Use science.

The brains of gay men are similar to the brains of heterosexual women in some ways. This is a scientifically proven fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Biological_differences_in_gay_men_and_lesbian_women

In another one of my other threads, I pointed out that racial equality has been proven by science. Despite this, most anti-racists prefer to rely on buzzwords like "love" and "tolerance" instead of citing the scientific studies which prove that race is a social construct.

The LGBT movement has the same problem. It has scientific backing ... but the activists almost never use this scientific backing. Thus, a ton of valuable scientific knowledge is going to waste.

2# Stop saying that gender is a myth.

In the past, some LGBT activists and feminists have actually told me that gender is a myth. To this day, this idea still baffles me. It's also unscientific.

I totally get why some people insist that gender must be a myth. First of all, some people think that men and women can only be equal if we are the same. In reality, it is entirely possible for men and women to be different, but still equal. One of the core principles of leftism is the principle that people can be different from one another and still be equal.

Second, some people insist that gender must be a social construct because race is a social construct. This, in my opinion, is a false equivalence. It is entirely possible for gender to be real even if race is fictional, as race and gender are two entirely separate concepts.

Furthermore, most heterosexual women obviously don't even believe that gender is fictional. The male protagonists in romance novels aimed at women are usually masculine. They aren't masculine in the same way that Donald Trump is masculine, but they are still masculine. Right-wing machismo is certainly a bad thing ... but this doesn't mean that masculinity is altogether fictional. It just means that right-wingers and jock douchebags have unrealistic ideas about what makes men different from women.

Furthermore, many liberals and SJWs nowadays claim that there are over 9000 genders ... but how can over 9000 genders exist if gender isn't real?

See what I mean? The statement "gender isn't real" is a total mess.

3# LGBT isn't "the new normal".

One phrase within the LGBT movement that I am growing sick of is "the new normal".

First of all, LGBT people will never be "the new normal" ... and they don't need to be. It's possible for people to be abnormal without being inferior. This is a standard progressive principle. Most people will always be cishet. It's possible to acknowledge that and still recognise that LGBT individuals are human beings who are entitled to human rights.

Second, "the new normal" is a dangerous phrase that frequently triggers right-wing anger. Many people on the far-right hate the concept of LGBT rights because they believe that we are marching towards a world in which heterosexuals are a minority. Don't feed into these irrational fears.

Please understand that I am trying to help the LGBT rights movement by saying all of this. If you think that I am wrong, I, as always, invite you to prove me wrong. I have thick skin. I can take it.


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01 Feb 2018, 1:08 am

So you want LGBT people, who as I understand, want to be treated as normally as possible, to stop wanting to be normal and in fact use science to prove they aren't normal.


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01 Feb 2018, 5:50 am

Using logic and science to explain anything in America is completely f*****g pointless. As Thomas Paine once said, trying to reason with people who've renounced the use of it is like trying to administer medicine to the dead.

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01 Feb 2018, 7:56 am

One problem with "science" is that for most of human history, it's declared LGBT a mental illness.


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01 Feb 2018, 2:02 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
One problem with "science" is that for most of human history, it's declared LGBT a mental illness.

Transgenderism is a mental illness. Homosexuality is a disorder. Neither deserves scorn or anger.



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01 Feb 2018, 2:23 pm

^ not allowed to say that here Bataar. Better delete it or face LGBT mod wrath as I have.


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01 Feb 2018, 5:50 pm

Bataar wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
One problem with "science" is that for most of human history, it's declared LGBT a mental illness.

Transgenderism is a mental illness. Homosexuality is a disorder. Neither deserves scorn or anger.

I don't suppose that you could quote chapter and verse on that from the DSM-5?



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01 Feb 2018, 5:59 pm

If more than 10% of prevailing species throughout the world exhibit some level of homosexuality but only one species exhibits homophobic behavior, wouldn't it be more logical to posit that homophobia is a mental illness, and bigotry is a disorder?

Do Animals Exhibit Homosexuality?



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01 Feb 2018, 7:26 pm

Piobaire wrote:
If more than 10% of prevailing species throughout the world exhibit some level of homosexuality but only one species exhibits homophobic behavior, wouldn't it be more logical to posit that homophobia is a mental illness, and bigotry is a disorder?

Do Animals Exhibit Homosexuality?


Do we have any proof that there are no homophobic animals?

Given how many animals there are, that seems highly improbable.


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01 Feb 2018, 7:28 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

In another one of my other threads, I pointed out that racial equality has been proven by science. Despite this, most anti-racists prefer to rely on buzzwords like "love" and "tolerance" instead of citing the scientific studies which prove that race is a social construct.



Indeed, but consider the diversity within humanity...
A controversial but surely valid consideration...

Charles Darwin:
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Seeing this gradation and diversity of structure in one small, intimately related group of birds, one might really fancy that from an original paucity of birds in this archipelago, one species had been taken and modified for different ends.

http://theconversation.com/darwins-finc ... life-38039

Could you define what criteria was used in determining "racial equality"?

N.B.
I am not making an argument here...
I am simply engaging "investigation mode"...

"FIRE IN THE HOLE!! !"
Here is a controversial intellectual grenade for consideration:

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The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life is a 1994 book by psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein and political scientist Charles Murray, in which the authors argue that human intelligence is substantially influenced by both inherited and environmental factors and that it is a better predictor of many personal dynamics, including financial income, job performance, birth out of wedlock, and involvement in crime than are an individual's parental socioeconomic status. They also argue that those with high intelligence, the "cognitive elite", are becoming separated from those of average and below-average intelligence. The book was controversial, especially where the authors wrote about racial differences in intelligence and discussed the implications of those differences.

Shortly after its publication, many people rallied both in criticism and defense of the book. A number of critical texts were written in response to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

N.B.
I am not arguing anything at this stage...
I am simply creating mischief... :mrgreen:
Or perhaps simply supplying food for thought? 8O

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01 Feb 2018, 7:39 pm

Piobaire wrote:
If more than 10% of prevailing species throughout the world exhibit some level of homosexuality but only one species exhibits homophobic behavior, wouldn't it be more logical to posit that homophobia is a mental illness, and bigotry is a disorder?

Do Animals Exhibit Homosexuality?


I have "always" maintained that homosexuality is an inherent part of the life system and that homophobia is in defiance of this natural phenomenon...
Since I said it, it must be true... :mrgreen:



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01 Feb 2018, 7:53 pm

Pepe wrote:
Indeed, but consider the diversity within humanity...
A controversial but surely valid consideration...


Modern humans aren't that diverse. We went through a population bottleneck 70,000 years ago. Speciation takes far longer than that in large mammals with a slow reproductive rate.

Furthermore, human populations will usually cope with changing conditions by building new tools, not evolving new body parts.

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Don't bring Charles Darwin into this. Darwin wasn't a racist. He studied human populations and he ultimately determined that "race" was not a useful concept for classifying human beings.

Charles Darwin continued to use the word "race" to describe subspecies within non-human animal species. Lots of creationists take this out of context.

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Could you define what criteria was used in determining "racial equality"?


Different human populations are very similar in terms of neurological stricture. Therefore, the apparent behavioral differences between human ethnic groups are actually products of social, economic, political and environmental factors.

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N.B.
I am not making an argument here...
I am simply engaging "investigation mode"...

"FIRE IN THE HOLE!! !"
Here is a controversy intellectual grenade for consideration:

Quote:
The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life is a 1994 book by psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein and political scientist Charles Murray, in which the authors argue that human intelligence is substantially influenced by both inherited and environmental factors and that it is a better predictor of many personal dynamics, including financial income, job performance, birth out of wedlock, and involvement in crime than are an individual's parental socioeconomic status. They also argue that those with high intelligence, the "cognitive elite", are becoming separated from those of average and below-average intelligence. The book was controversial, especially where the authors wrote about racial differences in intelligence and discussed the implications of those differences.

Shortly after its publication, many people rallied both in criticism and defense of the book. A number of critical texts were written in response to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

N.B.
I am not arguing anything at this stage...
I am simply creating mischief... :mrgreen:
Or perhaps simply supplying food for thought? 8O


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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve


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01 Feb 2018, 8:26 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:


A fascinating article...
While I have no quarrel with the information presented, I was quite surprised at it's unhidden biased tone...
I expect more objectivity and professionalism from those who are presenting a critique...

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Piobaire wrote:
Using logic and science to explain anything in America is completely f*****g pointless. As Thomas Paine once said, trying to reason with people who've renounced the use of it is like trying to administer medicine to the dead.



"You can take a wombat to logic...but you can't make it think..." :mrgreen:



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02 Feb 2018, 12:43 am

Pepe wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:


A fascinating article...
While I have no quarrel with the information presented, I was quite surprised at it's unhidden biased tone...
I expect more objectivity and professionalism from those who are presenting a critique...


The "rationalwiki.org" part of the link should have served as a warning. In future you'll be disappointed rather than surprised.



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02 Feb 2018, 1:21 am

in the animal kingdom there are many examples of homosexual behavior. look it up.



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02 Feb 2018, 1:50 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

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Could you define what criteria was used in determining "racial equality"?


Different human populations are very similar in terms of neurological stricture. Therefore, the apparent behavioral differences between human ethnic groups are actually products of social, economic, political and environmental factors.



I have some difficultly here...

Consider this:
-Nerds are the new sexy...
-Nerds will have an advantage over the jocks...
-Nerds will procreate faster than jocks...
-The demand for large rimmed glasses will skyrocket in the future...
-Those who invest wisely in futures in large rimmed glasses will also proliferate greatly...
-Inevitably...irrevocably, there will ultimately be two new dominant races as a result...
But they will have a different physiological makeup...

The logic is irrefutable...
I rest my case... 8)

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adifferentname wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:


A fascinating article...
While I have no quarrel with the information presented, I was quite surprised at it's unhidden biased tone...
I expect more objectivity and professionalism from those who are presenting a critique...


The "rationalwiki.org" part of the link should have served as a warning. In future you'll be disappointed rather than surprised.


I have realised that from past experience...
Entries with terms such as "bullshite" and "crap" are at a slight disadvantage academically speaking... :mrgreen: