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Mel Gibson is rather fascinating. After all, he is the Daniel Goldhagen of the anti-Semites. And what precisely do I mean by that? Let us put it this way: exactly like how Goldhagen blames the German people, as such, for The Holocaust; Mel Gibson, and his ilk, blames the Jewish people, as such, for The Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Do any others perceive the parallel there? I hope so.

It could be conceded that the Ancient Romans, themselves, actually were the ones who physically placed Our Lord and Savior on The Cross, however the Pharisees of the time may, or may not, have rooted them on to do so. Still, what could also be conceded is that though the National Socialist German Workers' Party was the largest and most infamous Fascist political party, it was not the only one. Indeed, it was not the original one. After all, there were, before them, The Italian Fascists and moreover and more to the point I am trying to make is this: most top Nazis, including Hitler and Himmler, were born into The Roman Catholic Church. And, there were plenty of other Fascist Parties, in Europe, before The War.

Moreover, if anything I know about either The Roman Empire or the Mafia is true, I would suspect that said Italian Fascists' armed forces fought every bit as gallantly, in the War, as either the Soviet Red Army or the Nazi Wehrmacht; and the Black Shirts, every bit as creative about coming up with ways to make their victims talk than either the Soviet N.K.V.D., or even the Nazi SS. Still, perhaps, paradoxically, it is due to America's own racism that Nazi and Soviet sins are more focused on. After all, the Italian Fascists, for their part, many exterminated North Africans and Arabs; peoples, obviously, that the U.S. Military itself likes to kill. So, it is easier for the U.S. Media to turn a blind eye to Italian Fascist wrong doing.

One has to wonder, when others will get around to writing a history of The Italian Fascists? It is something to deeply consider.

My entire view of the world seemed to change, after I learnt about Mel Gibson, and other Traditionalist Catholics. Intriguingly, they refer to Americanism as a form of Heresy. I would not go that far, though, but it seems to be, rather interesting that some U.S. Citizens, but not other U.S. Citizens, are perceived as Americans. America is a Social Construct, I would advance argument.

Those few U.S. Citizens, perceived as Americans, I would even argue, have American Privilege. And do not even get me started about such terms as Irish Americans and Italian Americans and Polish Americans and German Americans. Mind you, I would not be surprised if some African Americans, as they called, resent and refuse to be referred to as such. For all these decades, such Ethnic Groups, as they are called, were never quite accepted as Americans. And today, they still it would seem, are not.

What really woke me up, of course, was E. Michael Howard's fine book The Slaughter of The Cities. Before reading it, I never really realized just how many different types of U.S. Citizens there are, and were, during the time of the early 20th Century. My views on U.S. History are forever altered after beginning to read it.

I don't necessarily go by the books I read when it comes to judging people, though I enjoy reading biography and history.

I primarily rely on personal experience hanging out with people.

Perhaps, that is a good idea. Thank you very much.

I don't understand a word of your OP.

I don't understand his original post. I don't understand his second post. I DO understand what Krafty said, but have no idea what Krafty said has to do with what Twin Ruler is saying. But apparently what Krafty said was the "right" thing to say! Lol! Amazing!

This thread reminds of this scene in the movie "Airplane" Lol!

If you remember, Gibson directed a movie, "The Passion of the Christ".

"The Passion of the Christ" weaves the contradictory threads of the Gospels' accounts describing the last hours of the life of Jesus into a tale that portrays a reluctant Pontius Pilate decreeing crucifixion for "the son of God" at the mad urging of a Jewish mob led by Caiaphas, the High Priest.
http://www.aish.com/ci/s/48906052.html

So, Gibson's interpretation is that it wasn't the Romans that instigated the crucifixion , rather, it was a Jewish mob.

"Gibson holds firm to his literal interpretation of the Gospels that make Jews the villains of the most horrendous crime of history: Jews "killed God"

"Responding to criticism, Gibson denies his intent is to blame the Jews. "It's not singling them out and saying, 'They did it'. That's not so. We're all culpable. We're all guilty. We all killed Jesus."
http://www.aish.com/ci/s/48906052.html

So, they take offense that Gibson is blaming Jewish people for the crucifixion.

Mel Gibson went on an anti-semitic rant when pulled over for a DUI a few years back, after which, he apologized and tried to distance himself from those sentiments and a number of jewish friends of his insisted he wasn't actually anti-semitic.

Mel Gibson's father was a raging anti-semite who thought very poorly of jews. I understand that it can be difficult for people to rid themselves perceptions and sentiments instilled in them as young children by their parents. One can feel something is true, but logically know it isn't, and I think this may be the case with Mel Gibson. He knows jews are not the evil people his father told him they were but somewhere in his psyche that character his father built of negative attributes, that he called a jew, lurks in his mind. I believe he knows this is merely a character, or effigy, if you will, that he knows doesn't represent actual jews, such as his friends.

So I do have some level of forgiveness for Mel Gibson even if he has not been able to completely free himself of the hate his father instilled in him.

I don't think Mel Gibson blames all the Jews...
I don't know who Daniel Goldhagen is, but I doubt he hates all Germans...

In Mel's case, he can't have a problem with all Jews, since Jesus was a Jew...

This idea of someone hating every member of a cultural group is simply simplemindedness...
Broad stereotyping is fallacious since it implies that all elements in the collective group have the same value/moral system and behavioural pattern or collective sin which is self-evidently not the case in any circumstances I can think of...
Besides, the Catholic style belief in "original sin" and the transference of that sin to the offspring of "Adam & Eve" is intellectual and logical effrontery at best and emotional abuse, cynical manipulation and blackmail at worst ...

The psychological mechanisms involved in cultural discrimination of groups involves such things as confirmation bias, unconscious bias, tribalistic instinct, group think, etc...
Then there is simple self-interest inciting the unpleasant beast within...

While no cultural group is all bad, not every member is "all good" either...
However, the concept of condemning and entire group for the "sins" of some in that group would be incomprehensible/indefensible to emotionally balanced and educated individuals...surely...

Daniel Goldhagen wrote Hitler's Willing Executioners. He reveals his own bigotry. After all, not all anti-Semites are German. Seems to hate anti-Semitism merely because he associates it with that one Nation, namely Germany. Still, he is an interesting Case, and should be much studied.

Very interesting. Who was his father, and was he too a Traditionalist Catholic? I wonder!

According to Wikipedia Hutton Gibson

That article on Hudson Gibson was very interesting to read.