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19 Feb 2018, 6:59 pm

It is very intriguing to me. The Ancient Romans may indeed have rationalized the existence of their large army, by saying it was needed to protect their Civilian population from other peoples: Celts, Gauls, and Germans. This, I suspect, is much like how Americans and Russians justify the existence of their Military Industrial Complexes to defend themselves from each other.

Could stereotypes of Teutonic Peoples, Germans in particular, have been rooted in such Ancient History? I wonder. Julius Caesar referred to the Germans, of his day, as "dangerously warlike". Something to ponder!



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19 Feb 2018, 7:21 pm

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It is very intriguing to me. The Ancient Romans may indeed have rationalized the existence of their large army, by saying it was needed to protect their Civilian population from other peoples: Celts, Gauls, and Germans. This, I suspect, is much like how Americans and Russians justify the existence of their Military Industrial Complexes to defend themselves from each other.

Could stereotypes of Teutonic Peoples, Germans in particular, have been rooted in such Ancient History? I wonder. Julius Caesar referred to the Germans, of his day, as "dangerously warlike". Something to ponder!


It is highly likely that many of the things that we "know" about the Celts and the Germanic tribes was made up by the Roman Empire. After all, the ancient Germans and Celts had no system of writing. Most of what we "know" about them comes from what the Romans said about them.

For example, the Romans claimed that the Celts practiced human sacrifice, though this may have been made up or exaggerated.

During the period of European colonisation of the Americas, Europeans claimed that the Caribs regularly killed people to eat them. In reality, the Caribs only ate people who had died from other causes.


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19 Feb 2018, 8:37 pm

Something that you should "ponder": laying off huffing propane before you post online next time.

Our 20th Century parents and grandparents got their notions that the Germans were "dangerously warlike" not from something Caesar said 2000 years earlier, but from their own first hand experiences: like fighting in one or the other of the two global wars Germany started, or being bombed in the blitz, or living under Nazi occupation, or surviving a concentration camp with your serial number still branded on your skin, or like that. :lol:



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19 Feb 2018, 8:40 pm

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Something that you should "ponder": laying off huffing propane before you post online next time.

Our 20th Century parents and grandparents got their notions that the Germans were "dangerously warlike" not from something Caesar said 2000 years earlier, but from their own first hand experiences: like fighting in one or the other of the two global wars Germany started, or being bombed in the blitz, or living under Nazi occupation, or surviving a concentration camp with your serial number still branded on your skin, or like that. :lol:


World War One was started by Gavrilo Princip. He was a Bosnian.


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19 Feb 2018, 11:05 pm

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naturalplastic wrote:
Something that you should "ponder": laying off huffing propane before you post online next time.

Our 20th Century parents and grandparents got their notions that the Germans were "dangerously warlike" not from something Caesar said 2000 years earlier, but from their own first hand experiences: like fighting in one or the other of the two global wars Germany started, or being bombed in the blitz, or living under Nazi occupation, or surviving a concentration camp with your serial number still branded on your skin, or like that. :lol:


World War One was started by Gavrilo Princip. He was a Bosnian.


A Bosnian terrorist lit the powder keg of Europe, but once it exploded, Germany, and its ally Austria, were the, for the most part, the territorial aggressor side. So in general sense their side started the war.



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20 Feb 2018, 3:52 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Something that you should "ponder": laying off huffing propane before you post online next time.

Our 20th Century parents and grandparents got their notions that the Germans were "dangerously warlike" not from something Caesar said 2000 years earlier, but from their own first hand experiences: like fighting in one or the other of the two global wars Germany started, or being bombed in the blitz, or living under Nazi occupation, or surviving a concentration camp with your serial number still branded on your skin, or like that. :lol:


Still, anti-Germanism has an ancient lineage, going all the way back to Rome.



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20 Feb 2018, 3:56 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Something that you should "ponder": laying off huffing propane before you post online next time.

Our 20th Century parents and grandparents got their notions that the Germans were "dangerously warlike" not from something Caesar said 2000 years earlier, but from their own first hand experiences: like fighting in one or the other of the two global wars Germany started, or being bombed in the blitz, or living under Nazi occupation, or surviving a concentration camp with your serial number still branded on your skin, or like that. :lol:

Come now, France and Britain and, of course, Russia wanted those wars at least as much as Germany. All four were Imperialist Powers, in any event. If Germany did not start it, one of those three other Nations would have.



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20 Feb 2018, 6:32 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Something that you should "ponder": laying off huffing propane before you post online next time.

Our 20th Century parents and grandparents got their notions that the Germans were "dangerously warlike" not from something Caesar said 2000 years earlier, but from their own first hand experiences: like fighting in one or the other of the two global wars Germany started, or being bombed in the blitz, or living under Nazi occupation, or surviving a concentration camp with your serial number still branded on your skin, or like that. :lol:

Ah, but NaturalPlastic, where exactly did the term "Germany" come from? Caesar's Legions referred to any East of the Rhine and North of the Danube as Germanni. The people, referred to in the English language, as Germans, I am sure you never learned, do not call themselves Germans, but Deutsche, and their country, Deutschland. This was, of course, much like how many U.S. Military personnel, in Korea and Vietnam, referred to their enemies and victims as "Gooks", "Slopes", and "Slant Eyes".

Notice, the very ugly sound of such terms as "Germany", "German", "Germans", and of course, "Germanic". Anti-German sentiment never let up, for all those centuries. Most, of course, rationalize to themselves their hatred of Germans as a response to The Holocaust and every other horrid little thing that the National Socialists did, during The Second World War. This is dishonest. If that were the case, how come they do not similarly hate the Soviet Communists and the Chinese Communists? After all, did not the Soviets and Chinese have their very own Prison Camp Systems? And did not the Soviets and Chinese carry out many the very same types of military atrocities and crimes against Humanity, one usually only associates with the Germans, and their National Socialists? One has to wonder!

Now, those whom the Romans enslaved were termed Slavs, which is exactly where we get the English term "Slave" from. Indeed, Slav is Latin for Slave! I wonder if you ever learnt that, NaturalPlastic? I remember, reading The Conquest of Gaul, by Julius Caesar, one day. I remember, the situation in Gaul, as strange as it may sound, eerily reminded me of Korea and Vietnam.

Julius Caesar even stated that he thought Great Britain was a perfect triangle, another things. Julius Caesar claimed that Elk had no knees, so that they had to lean against trees to support themselves.

Moreover, and more to the point I am making here, Germany is no longer even a Country anymore: merely a Satellite of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It has been so, for decades now. Sure, in the olden days, when Germany was an Imperial Power, it-- much like France, Britain, and Russia-- did some horrid things. Still, Germany is a defeated Nation, and the German People know it. Would go so far as to state that the Germans are as beholden unto the U.S. Army, as they ever have been to the SS!

:lol: I wonder why many seem not to realize this? It is so very obvious to me.



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20 Feb 2018, 6:52 am

Yep. The people the English call the Germans have a great history.

What I don’t want is a resurgence in German Nationalism leading to another Nazi-type movement gaining an upper hand in Deutschland.



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20 Feb 2018, 7:00 am

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Yep. The people the English call the Germans have a great history.

What I don’t want is a resurgence in German Nationalism leading to another Nazi-type movement gaining an upper hand in Deutschland.

You got to be joking! That could never actually happen. As stated before, Germany is not even a country anymore. Merely a satellite of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. German people have no sense of Nationalism or Patriotism, anymore. Rest assured. If anything, there would seem to be a resurgence of British Nationalism, even of the racial type, in Great Britain, exemplified by BREXIT.



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20 Feb 2018, 7:19 am

I’m not saying this could happen.

I’m saying I don’t want it to happen.

Some parts of the Brexit movement are purely nationalistic. Others have more economic motivations.

If I were British, I wouldn’t have voted for Brexit.



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20 Feb 2018, 7:30 am

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I’m not saying this could happen.

I’m saying I don’t want it to happen.

Some parts of the Brexit movement are purely nationalistic. Others have more economic motivations.

If I were British, I wouldn’t have voted for Brexit.

For as soon as Britain is out of the EU, the United Kingdom shall, itself, disassemble into its components: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. After all, the UK, much like the EU, is more a Bloc of countries than a single National State.



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22 Feb 2018, 3:09 am

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naturalplastic wrote:
Something that you should "ponder": laying off huffing propane before you post online next time.

Our 20th Century parents and grandparents got their notions that the Germans were "dangerously warlike" not from something Caesar said 2000 years earlier, but from their own first hand experiences: like fighting in one or the other of the two global wars Germany started, or being bombed in the blitz, or living under Nazi occupation, or surviving a concentration camp with your serial number still branded on your skin, or like that. :lol:

Ah, but NaturalPlastic, where exactly did the term "Germany" come from? Caesar's Legions referred to any East of the Rhine and North of the Danube as Germanni. The people, referred to in the English language, as Germans, I am sure you never learned, do not call themselves Germans, but Deutsche, and their country, Deutschland. This was, of course, much like how many U.S. Military personnel, in Korea and Vietnam, referred to their enemies and victims as "Gooks", "Slopes", and "Slant Eyes".

Notice, the very ugly sound of such terms as "Germany", "German", "Germans", and of course, "Germanic". Anti-German sentiment never let up, for all those centuries. Most, of course, rationalize to themselves their hatred of Germans as a response to The Holocaust and every other horrid little thing that the National Socialists did, during The Second World War. This is dishonest. If that were the case, how come they do not similarly hate the Soviet Communists and the Chinese Communists? After all, did not the Soviets and Chinese have their very own Prison Camp Systems? And did not the Soviets and Chinese carry out many the very same types of military atrocities and crimes against Humanity, one usually only associates with the Germans, and their National Socialists? One has to wonder!

Now, those whom the Romans enslaved were termed Slavs, which is exactly where we get the English term "Slave" from. Indeed, Slav is Latin for Slave! I wonder if you ever learnt that, NaturalPlastic? I remember, reading The Conquest of Gaul, by Julius Caesar, one day. I remember, the situation in Gaul, as strange as it may sound, eerily reminded me of Korea and Vietnam.

Julius Caesar even stated that he thought Great Britain was a perfect triangle, another things. Julius Caesar claimed that Elk had no knees, so that they had to lean against trees to support themselves.

Moreover, and more to the point I am making here, Germany is no longer even a Country anymore: merely a Satellite of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It has been so, for decades now. Sure, in the olden days, when Germany was an Imperial Power, it-- much like France, Britain, and Russia-- did some horrid things. Still, Germany is a defeated Nation, and the German People know it. Would go so far as to state that the Germans are as beholden unto the U.S. Army, as they ever have been to the SS!

:lol: I wonder why many seem not to realize this? It is so very obvious to me.


The words German and Germany are derived from the Latinized word, Germani. It's origins are rather mysterious, though there's a thought that it might have been based on a Celtic word for Celtic tribes who had originally inhabited the lands east of the Rhine, but were pushed out by Teutonic peoples who came to be referred to as Germani because of the geographic region they had come to inhabit. The Greek 1st century historian, Plutarch, believed it was derived from the Latin word for "genuine," because the Romans, he alleged, saw the Germans as more genuinely Celtic than the Celts (taller, more fair haired, fiercer). More recently, a theory that has become popular states that the word was in fact Germanic, derived from "spear men," or "Ger Mannen." The word Deutsch may have been a later designation by which Germans described themselves, meaning people "of the tribes." I might be mistaken, but I believe it may have originally been used by the Franks in the early Middle Ages, which would explain why the Anglo-Saxons who had already migrated to Britain hadn't made use of the word, nor had the Scandinavians who remained outside the Frankish sphere of influence.


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22 Feb 2018, 3:17 am

As far as Germany not being a country anymore - - I think the Germans would strongly disagree with that. They continue to have their own culture, language, history, and government. The fact that Angela Merkel is breaking with President Cheeto says to me that her country hardly lives to be America's "stepin-fetchit."


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22 Feb 2018, 6:31 am

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As far as Germany not being a country anymore - - I think the Germans would strongly disagree with that. They continue to have their own culture, language, history, and government. The fact that Angela Merkel is breaking with President Cheeto says to me that her country hardly lives to be America's "stepin-fetchit."

Next thing you will say, NATO shall soon fall apart!