HansAsperger 'actively cooperated w/ Nazi's child euthanasia

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19 Apr 2018, 8:21 pm

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A new study, published in the journal of Molecular Autism this week by medical historian Herwig Czech, was the result of eight years of research and drew on previously unseen documents, including Asperger's personnel files and the clinical assessments he wrote on his patients.

It concluded that while Asperger was never a member of the Nazi Party, he "actively cooperated with the child 'euthanasia' program".

It found he also sent children to the notorious Am Spiegelgrund clinic in Vienna, where hundreds of disabled kids were murdered as part of the program to create a "pure" society. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-20/h ... ic/9679448

Historic revisionism?
Time will tell...

"Truth may be inconvenient, but it is never politically incorrect..."

Out with "Aspies"...
In With "Autistics"?...

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19 Apr 2018, 8:36 pm

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Asperger is said to have referred profoundly disabled children to the notorious Am Spiegelgrund clinic, where their "unworthy" lives were snuffed out.

An estimated 789 children, many with severe mental problems, were systematically killed at the Vienna clinic, mostly by lethal injection and gassing.

Others died from disease and starvation, or were subjected to harsh medical experiments.

"Aktion T4", the horrific euthanasia programme personally authorised by Adolf Hitler, set out to cull the incurable and severely disabled. https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/ ... r-14550732

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19 Apr 2018, 8:43 pm

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Aktion T4 (German, pronounced [akˈtsi̯oːn teː fiːɐ]) was a postwar name for mass murder through involuntary euthanasia in Nazi Germany.[4] The name T4 is an abbreviation of Tiergartenstraße 4, a street address of the Chancellery department set up in the spring of 1940, in the Berlin borough of Tiergarten, which recruited and paid personnel associated with T4.[5][6][7][c] Certain German physicians were authorized to select patients "deemed incurably sick, after most critical medical examination" and then administer to them a "mercy death" (Gnadentod).[8] In October 1939 Adolf Hitler signed a "euthanasia note" backdated to 1 September 1939, that authorized his physician Karl Brandt and Reichsleiter Philipp Bouhler to implement the programme.

The killings took place from September 1939 until the end of the war in 1945, during which 275,000 to 300,000[a] people were killed at various extermination centres located at psychiatric hospitals in Germany and Austria, along with those in occupied Poland and the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (now the Czech Republic).[9][10][11] [b]The number of victims recorded originally as the dauntingly exacting total of 70,273 people has been revised considerably upward by the discovery of additional victims listed in the archives of the former East Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

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19 Apr 2018, 10:45 pm

Well, the term, Asperger's Syndrome, is no longer being used by mental health professionals, replaced with high functioning autism. Perhaps it's best to say goodbye to Dr. Asperger.

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19 Apr 2018, 11:57 pm

Mass psychopathy.

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20 Apr 2018, 5:58 pm

I’d rsther tell people I’m aspie instead of autistic. Autistic has a worse stigmatization

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23 Apr 2018, 2:31 am

sly279 wrote:

I’d rsther tell people I’m aspie instead of autistic. Autistic has a worse stigmatization

Well, we are high functioning autistics but that term has been confusing at times when I have used it...
Some people erroneously think it means being a savant...

I guess it makes sense simply to say we are "mildly" autistic, like they said in the "good" old days before the term "Asperger syndrome" was officially used...
Yes, kids...
I'm old enough to remember that... :mrgreen:

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23 Apr 2018, 5:16 am

Pepe wrote:

sly279 wrote:

I’d rsther tell people I’m aspie instead of autistic. Autistic has a worse stigmatization

Hell, I'm old enough to remember a time before American psychologists even knew what Asperger's was! Back as a little kid, I was called "hyperactive," because they had no other description to pigeonhole me with.

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23 Apr 2018, 9:49 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

sly279 wrote:

I’d rsther tell people I’m aspie instead of autistic. Autistic has a worse stigmatization

I also have adhd so I’m hyperactive so atleast to defectivenesses

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23 Apr 2018, 10:11 pm

sly279 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

sly279 wrote:

I’d rsther tell people I’m aspie instead of autistic. Autistic has a worse stigmatization

I also have adhd so I’m hyperactive so atleast to defectivenesses

No human being is defective.

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24 Apr 2018, 12:12 am

As better scholarship becomes available, revising the received version is an acceptable practice. That's what science does. Revisionism has a different meaning, it means taking the same information from the past and spin doctoring it to suit an agenda (without scholarship shedding any real new light on a topic or situation).

There are a number of threads now on the new information re the revelations about Asperger which have been opened this week and are still active, this is the latest newcomer to them.

Can members please now just post on the existing threads and stop creating new ones, thanks.

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24 Apr 2018, 2:51 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

sly279 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

sly279 wrote:

I’d rsther tell people I’m aspie instead of autistic. Autistic has a worse stigmatization

I also have adhd so I’m hyperactive so atleast to defectivenesses

No human being is defective.

I am

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24 Apr 2018, 5:39 pm

B19 wrote:

Revisionism has a different meaning, it means taking the same information from the past and spin doctoring it to suit an agenda (without scholarship shedding any real new light on a topic or situation).

My use of the term "revisionism" is as follows:

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Historical revisionism is the means by which the historical record — the history of a society, as understood in their collective memory — continually integrates new facts and interpretations of the events commonly understood as history; about which the historian James M. McPherson, said:

The fourteen-thousand members of this association, however, know that revision is the lifeblood of historical scholarship. History is a continuing dialogue, between the present and the past. Interpretations of the past are subject to change in response to new evidence, new questions asked of the evidence, new perspectives gained by the passage of time. There is no single, eternal, and immutable “truth” about past events and their meaning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism

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24 Apr 2018, 5:40 pm

sly279 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sly279 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

sly279 wrote:

I’d rsther tell people I’m aspie instead of autistic. Autistic has a worse stigmatization

I also have adhd so I’m hyperactive so atleast to defectivenesses

No human being is defective.

I am

Agreed...

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26 Apr 2018, 8:38 am

I was watching a documentary a couple weeks ago where it was the same, but opposite from this.

A lady who always assumed the racial mixing in her family was from white slave owners forcing themselves on female slaves found out that her ancestors on both sides were always successful, and the products of free mixed marriages. One (black) ancestor bought his wife and then freed her. Another was a (black) ship captain from Africa who took a French name. Their lighter skin came from mixed free people (including an American Indian) marrying into the family a couple times. It was hard for her to accept.

It’s funny, because everyone in her family was so successful. Of course she also came from successful people. It was just hard for her to imagine that they could have also been good.

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