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31 Mar 2018, 5:56 pm

Putin is the modern equivalence of Adolf Hitler...
Time to stop the policy of appeasement and get tough...
Diplomatic sanctions are a good start...

Concerns about a new cold war?
Where is the down-side?
Bring it on... :twisted:

And besides, it will help with global warming... :mrgreen:



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31 Mar 2018, 6:22 pm

Until he does something indicating another planned extermination of groups of people he is not the next Hitler.


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31 Mar 2018, 6:41 pm

I disagree Hitler was a mad man driven by ideology.

Putin is not insane just a criminal. He is still a logical actor which is why he will be around for quite some time.



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31 Mar 2018, 6:48 pm

Pepe wrote:
Putin is the modern equivalence of Adolf Hitler...


Not really. He is a racist, but he isn't as bad as Hitler. The real modern Hitler is Alexander Lukashenko.

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Time to stop the policy of appeasement and get tough...
Diplomatic sanctions are a good start...


If the we really want to stop Putin, we need to fund the anarchist/feminist organisations within Russia.

Of course, the US government won't do that because it would be bad for business.


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31 Mar 2018, 6:56 pm

Funding some tiny radical group within Russia is not going to help it will simply give Putin justification to ramp up his oppression.

This is a man who has jailed and killed his opposition. We need to find his offshore wealth and have it frozen.

We need to hold ourselves to a higher standard and stand up for freedom and stop invading other countries unjustly.



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31 Mar 2018, 7:05 pm

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We need to hold ourselves to a higher standard and stand up for freedom and stop invading other countries unjustly.


International intervention isn't inherently an "invasion". If we funded progressive organisations in other countries, this would actually help them.

Unfortunately, the US military doesn't do this because the US government is run by financial oligarchs. That's why the US military booted out Allende and then aided Pinochet.

I don't think that militaries and war are inherently bad. I just think that the US military is never going to make sensible decisions as long as the government remains under corporate control.


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31 Mar 2018, 8:10 pm

He’s not the next Hitler.

He’s more like the next Tsar.



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31 Mar 2018, 8:25 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
He’s not the next Hitler.

He’s more like the next Tsar.


He's like a Russian Francisco Franco.

He isn't exactly a Nazi, but Nazism is just a sub-category within fascism.

Putin has definite fascist tendencies, but he doesn't label himself a fascist because most Russian people believe that Russia defeated fascism during WW2. That's a huge part of Russian patriotism.


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01 Apr 2018, 4:26 am

This is what I was referring to:
Hitler nibbled at territorial gain until he overstepped the mark...

The Baltic states are terrified the Russians are going to take over their countries once again, and deport a 1/3 of the inhabitants to the Siberia gulags where most of them died after WWII...
Ukraine is worried it is going to be swallowed in its entirety...

Putin, an old KGB man(iac) wants to restore the glory of the Reich...errr...I mean the communist state...
Sound familiar? :mrgreen:

I would have thought most of the hard-line communists reminiscing on the conquests of the former U.S.S.R. would have died out...
Apparently, their spirit lives on...
But this is old news...
They were smarting ever since the capitalistic pigs won the arms race and sent the evil empire broke... :twisted:



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01 Apr 2018, 7:56 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Putin is the modern equivalence of Adolf Hitler...


Not really. He is a racist, but he isn't as bad as Hitler. The real modern Hitler is Alexander Lukashenko.

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Time to stop the policy of appeasement and get tough...
Diplomatic sanctions are a good start...


If the we really want to stop Putin, we need to fund the anarchist/feminist organisations within Russia.

Of course, the US government won't do that because it would be bad for business.

How is Putin racist and how is Lukashenko the modern equivalent of Hitler?
Lukashenko seems to just want to be left alone, i haven't seen him planning to expand his country or using racial supremacist rethoric,
He seems to have more in common with the average communist dictators during the cold war but even that is pushing it.



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01 Apr 2018, 8:01 am

If anyone is the modern equivalent of Hitler wouldn't it be Kim Jong Un (thought i would personaly disagree with this) since his regime follow an ethnic nationalist and militaristic ideology?
Or maybe DPRK is a modern equivalent of imperial japan?



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01 Apr 2018, 8:12 am

Lovecraft wrote:
How is Putin racist and how is Lukashenko the modern equivalent of Hitler?


Not long ago, Putin implied that Jews and Tatars weren't "really Russian" even if they had Russian citizenship.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/03/11/putin-condemned-for-saying-jews-may-have-manipulated-u-s-election/?utm_term=.b51c03611c55

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Lukashenko seems to just want to be left alone, i haven't seen him planning to expand his country or using racial supremacist rethoric,


"The history of Germany is a copy of the history of Belarus. Germany was raised from ruins thanks to firm authority and not everything connected with that well-known figure Hitler was bad. German order evolved over the centuries and attained its peak under Hitler."

"This is a Jewish city, and the Jews are not concerned for the place they live in. They have turned Babruysk into a pigsty."

Those are both actual quotes by Lukashenko.

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He seems to have more in common with the average communist dictators during the cold war but even that is pushing it.


Well ... some of the old Soviet Leaders were very Nazi-like in terms of behavior.


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01 Apr 2018, 9:21 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Lovecraft wrote:
How is Putin racist and how is Lukashenko the modern equivalent of Hitler?


Not long ago, Putin implied that Jews and Tatars weren't "really Russian" even if they had Russian citizenship.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/03/11/putin-condemned-for-saying-jews-may-have-manipulated-u-s-election/?utm_term=.b51c03611c55

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Lukashenko seems to just want to be left alone, i haven't seen him planning to expand his country or using racial supremacist rethoric,


"The history of Germany is a copy of the history of Belarus. Germany was raised from ruins thanks to firm authority and not everything connected with that well-known figure Hitler was bad. German order evolved over the centuries and attained its peak under Hitler."

"This is a Jewish city, and the Jews are not concerned for the place they live in. They have turned Babruysk into a pigsty."

Those are both actual quotes by Lukashenko.

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He seems to have more in common with the average communist dictators during the cold war but even that is pushing it.


Well ... some of the old Soviet Leaders were very Nazi-like in terms of behavior.

Well they aren't really Russian since Russian is an ethnic group.
He never stated that they couldn't be Russian citizens. Thought it is weird coming from him since he has cracked down hard on Russian ethnic nationalism and neo-nazis.

I wouldn't compare how Lukashenko raised Belarus from ruins with how Hitler rebuilded Germany after ww2 since it was not an independent state before Lukashenko, the whole revanchist attitude of the German people after ww1 played a big part in Hitlers rebuilding of Germany.



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01 Apr 2018, 7:22 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

"The history of Germany is a copy of the history of Belarus. Germany was raised from ruins thanks to firm authority and not everything connected with that well-known figure Hitler was bad. German order evolved over the centuries and attained its peak under Hitler."


Can you say that in a largely leftist thinking world that is dominated/obsessed by/with political correctness? 8O



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01 Apr 2018, 7:29 pm

Pepe wrote:
Can you say that in a largely leftist thinking world that is dominated/obsessed by/with political correctness? 8O


Lukashenko self-identifies as a communist, but, like most "communist" leaders he is actually a totalitarian nationalist.

I put the word "communist" in sacre quotes because Marx saw the whole concept of nationalism as irrational.

"The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got."


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01 Apr 2018, 7:41 pm

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the whole revanchist attitude of the German people after ww1 played a big part in Hitlers rebuilding of Germany.


"Revanchist"?
Germany was humiliated and its economy was destroyed by the unjust Versailles Treaty inforced by those who were jealous of Germany's growing dominance at the time in Europe...
Revenge wasn't the prevailing mindset, surely...
It was a case of German national dignity...

Putin is manipulating the Russian people the same way...