The Land without Feminism

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I've been dating Chinese girls for a while. They tend to bring their values with them. Feminism just isn't a thing in China.

If there are any MRA guys reading this you could be salivating now. A whole country without feminism. A culture where even the women themselves say they're lesser than men.

Well it's not as good for guys as you might think. The Chinese girls I've dated say they should have less responsibility than men.

The one I'm dating now says it's unmanly to complain but women can complain all they want.

The previous one said a man should earn three times as much as his partner. So if she earns $50,000 per year I'm expected to earn $150,000 per year?

Always this prefeminist notion that women are lesser results in women taking less responsibility. It's like they think only men and not women have to act like adults.

I find it really annoying. I need to teach girlfriend that women are equal equal so she can start being more mature and responsible.

HA!! It's been ingrained in her----good luck with that!! (wink)

That's interesting. The "feminists" think that women like that would just be happy little housewives with no ambition or standards or self respect, but clearly they are demanding of certain standards in a man and not afraid to speak up about it. They might think a man is superior but he needs to prove it.

They're certainly demanding and they're certainly not afraid to speak up, loudly and repeatedly.

I strongly agree with you Retro, traditionalism objectifies men as ATM and Money-makers and nothing else and it's not a heaven like how some MRAs may think. I know that very well because I live in a such land too.

Relevant joke video:

The traditional dynamic sucks, but so does the modern dynamic.

The modern one probably sucks because there’s still a strong traditional dynamic underneath; it’s less explicit but it’s still strongly there.

Modern one only improved for women. Men are still expected to do the same as traditional. Feminism was a onsided movement hence its name unlike a equalism movement which doesn’t gain any traction cause of feminism.

Equalism can only be reached if the house-husband role becomes as common as the housewife role; as % of population wise.

This.

Men are still heavily locked into traditional roles.

Equalism is awful for that reason as parity would be enforced between the sexes rather than allowing people to choose. Maybe Sly meant equality, if so, don't say equalism as that's it's own separate thing. Equalism is equality of outcome, equality is equality of opportunity. Women are created biologically to be superior in the stay at home role on average. So having it be forced to be 50/50 would be harmful to humanity, but enforcing 100% female, while better due to their average superiority would also be harmful now we're in a day and age where it's not essential for the woman to be at home and the man providing. You ideally want the best suited individual to be rearing the children, and that will sometimes be the man. Either because he is just better or maybe because the woman might be better but she has so much earning power it more than compensates for the male being less suited. There is still a stigma on males in that role and it would be helpful if that was removed. Especially when it comes to custody battles, there's a strong bias against men that goes beyond what I said about biology.

I think Vikings may have been one of the more 'feminist' cultures.

There were female raiders, just saw some recent stuff about a skeleton of one they found...as for the women who would stay at home they along with whatever men didn't go on the raids all still had to tend to the community and take care of work needing to be done...as well as be able to defend the home if need be. Basically they could not 'depend on the men' when a lot of them were off on raids so they had to depend on themselves. Seems like there was a more equal share of responsibilities than men having to take care of the poor, helpless vulnerable women like in a lot of other cultures.

And by no means am I saying that culture was perfect, there was certainly sexism, they made a lot of captives into slaves(granted as far as I know slaves could become regular citizens), they had capital punishment, they killed many people on their raids...so yes lots of bad things to but its interesting that it seems they had more equality between sexes than a lot of other known cultures at the time.

This is what a lot of right-wingers forget about the past. Traditional roles weren't entirely good for men.

Me? I don't need to control women. Learning about prehistory makes me happy.

I meant the equalityism movement however it’s spelled. Which unlike feminis about equality for all people regardof their gender, race or beliefs. They want to get rid of all outdated roles and standards not just the ones in regard to women.

^Which will never ever happen sly, we are biological creatures, first and foremost.

Huh?

How it would be enforced?

The scenario I am talking about gives men the option to be house-husbands/stay-at-home parent - so both sexes will have this option; it is a significant life option that men lack today yet women have it.