Children in cages = Trump's wall?
Is it possible that separating families has created Trump's Wall?
What family will present themselves as refugees if they know they might never see each other again?
Would you rather die than give away your children to an unknown fate?
Honestly, has he done it? Is this his Wall?
And who will pay for it? Of course, the country that ransoms the children!
This article is the best I've seen into what's going on inside the internment camps. There's also some audio here which is a must-listen.
While I'm not at all pleased with how many European countries treat asylum seekers, none have policies quite as monstrous as separating children from their parents (although Italy might do if the Lega retain control, given their horrible anti-Roma policies). America has gone from being the land of the free, to having a worse immigration policy than a literal fascist country like Hungary.
This is anti-American. It is a dark, ugly stain upon one of the best countries in the world, and everyone who cares about America should be fighting it.
Mr. Trump has turned into this nation's "Child-Abuser-By-Proxy-In-Chief".
We always knew he was both sexist and racist; now we find out that he hates (foreign) kids, as well.
Sad.
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While I'm not at all pleased with how many European countries treat asylum seekers, none have policies quite as monstrous as separating children from their parents (although Italy might do if the Lega retain control, given their horrible anti-Roma policies). America has gone from being the land of the free, to having a worse immigration policy than a literal fascist country like Hungary.
This is anti-American. It is a dark, ugly stain upon one of the best countries in the world, and everyone who cares about America should be fighting it.
No.
He turned it back to the Confederate States of America.
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Who sends their child alone to another nation?
A lot of them were ripped from their parents at the border, their parents came to ask for assylum, which isn't actually illegal. Also those children already have families, they are not being set up with families to begin with...but even if they were that is hardly a solution to being ripped away from their already existing parents. There is video and audio of children screaming and crying from being torn away from their parents.
The ones that came without parents probably don't have parents, they're parents are probably dead. Maybe you don't know much about how things work in the nations they come from.
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Who sends their child alone to another nation?
A lot of them were ripped from their parents at the border, their parents came to ask for assylum, which isn't actually illegal. Also those children already have families, they are not being set up with families to begin with...but even if they were that is hardly a solution to being ripped away from their already existing parents. There is video and audio of children screaming and crying from being torn away from their parents.
The ones that came without parents probably don't have parents, they're parents are probably dead. Maybe you don't know much about how things work in the nations they come from.
They are not seeking asylum. They are trying to enter the country illegally. People who go to a port of entry and file for asylum have no problems. This is just impacting people who get caught crossing the border illegally. When they get caught, the parents have the choice of being immediately deported with their kids or to start the process which will separate them from their kids. It's 100% the parents' fault. Unfortunately, we don't have a choice if we want to enforce the law. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that kids cannot be held with their parents. If we want to enforce the law, the parents have to be held and the kids cannot be held with them.
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While I'm not at all pleased with how many European countries treat asylum seekers, none have policies quite as monstrous as separating children from their parents (although Italy might do if the Lega retain control, given their horrible anti-Roma policies). America has gone from being the land of the free, to having a worse immigration policy than a literal fascist country like Hungary.
This is anti-American. It is a dark, ugly stain upon one of the best countries in the world, and everyone who cares about America should be fighting it.
I agree it's simply disgusting and a human rights violation, I don't really want much to do with anyone who agrees with this disgusting practice. I don't care if you are on the left or right, anyone who thinks this is ok is part of the problem.
Apparently one account states one mother asked for just 5 minutes to console her child when she learned they were being separated...they wouldn't even give her that. Total lack of humanity.
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Who sends their child alone to another nation?
A lot of them were ripped from their parents at the border, their parents came to ask for assylum, which isn't actually illegal. Also those children already have families, they are not being set up with families to begin with...but even if they were that is hardly a solution to being ripped away from their already existing parents. There is video and audio of children screaming and crying from being torn away from their parents.
The ones that came without parents probably don't have parents, they're parents are probably dead. Maybe you don't know much about how things work in the nations they come from.
They are not seeking asylum. They are trying to enter the country illegally. People who go to a port of entry and file for asylum have no problems. This is just impacting people who get caught crossing the border illegally. When they get caught, the parents have the choice of being immediately deported with their kids or to start the process which will separate them from their kids. It's 100% the parents' fault. Unfortunately, we don't have a choice if we want to enforce the law. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that kids cannot be held with their parents. If we want to enforce the law, the parents have to be held and the kids cannot be held with them.
BS, they presented themselves to border patrol agents to request asylum. This is quite plainly not simply people getting caught sneaking across the border. Also, thats not legal asylum seekers are supposed to have their request processed and have a chance of being granted asylum not immeaditely deported or criminally detained. However doesn't sound like they are given this choice based on a lot of accounts...many were told their children were getting a bath, then later told them they will never see them again. It is 100% Trump and Sessions fault for instating this disgusting policy.
And what law are you talking about there is no law that says children must be ripped from the arms of asylum seekers or that they are to be immeaditely deported. The law says their request for asylum has to be processed before a decision is made...and certainly nothing about taking away their kids.
Justify it all you want though. Also its kids cannot be held in prison with their parents....asylum seekers should not be getting sent to prison in the first place. But go ahead and justify this cruelty all you want.
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Can someone who has talked to one of these people in real life weigh in? There’s a lot of speculation going on here. I don’t like throwing out this “children in cages” thing because we are only seeing limited images or video of this and can’t judge what’s going on. We can get a better picture if we can relate stories of people we have actually met and what happened to them.
When I was teaching at the refugee center, we also welcomed illegals to our classes, since they were free classes and we didn’t care who came. I had one illegal Mexican student, who had a son born in America. She said she had come across with the boys father, who had since been put in jail (sounded like gang stuff but I didn’t pry). She didn’t say how they got here. I did get the impression that she had gotten away from something bad by separating from the dad. But then she was left here with their child, not knowing what to do. She was VERY smart and nice. I told her it was a waste if she didn’t go to college. I referred her to our attorney, who said she could start the paperwork process, but it would be costly. Not undoable, but a couple thousand maybe? I forget exactly. I could be wrong on that figure.
It sounded to me like it would be the same process as my brother in laws English immigration. You get a sponsor, you have to prove you can support yourself, and you have to pass tests and pay fees. At the time, this girl decided not to do the process because Obama was not enforcing deportations, and I also discovered that there was a loophole for her to go to community college without a social security number. I don’t know what happened to her after I stopped teaching. I provided her with the information and did not advise her, because that would not have been right in my mind.
That was my real story of an actual illegal immigrant. Maybe someone else has a more recent story?
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When I was teaching at the refugee center, we also welcomed illegals to our classes, since they were free classes and we didn’t care who came. I had one illegal Mexican student, who had a son born in America. She said she had come across with the boys father, who had since been put in jail (sounded like gang stuff but I didn’t pry). She didn’t say how they got here. I did get the impression that she had gotten away from something bad by separating from the dad. But then she was left here with their child, not knowing what to do. She was VERY smart and nice. I told her it was a waste if she didn’t go to college. I referred her to our attorney, who said she could start the paperwork process, but it would be costly. Not undoable, but a couple thousand maybe? I forget exactly. I could be wrong on that figure.
It sounded to me like it would be the same process as my brother in laws English immigration. You get a sponsor, you have to prove you can support yourself, and you have to pass tests and pay fees. At the time, this girl decided not to do the process because Obama was not enforcing deportations, and I also discovered that there was a loophole for her to go to community college without a social security number. I don’t know what happened to her after I stopped teaching. I provided her with the information and did not advise her, because that would not have been right in my mind.
That was my real story of an actual illegal immigrant. Maybe someone else has a more recent story?
This is happening now, how would anyone here have gotten the opportunity to talk to one of these people. They are being detained at the border, separated from their kids who are also detained, parents are probably sitting in jails or similar detention centers. Also many were asylum seekers, they aren't supposed to be treated like criminals...they're supposed to have their request processed not have their kids ripped away. The process they face currently is federal prosecution...not options to get proper paper-work or get their request for asylum processed.
The woman you speak of in your story, with Trump its very likely she could be deported just like that...even if she has started a process to become a legal resident, I mean she isn't yet so under this no tolerance policy of trumps plenty of people like her can easily be deported.
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I never understood why a country built up by illegal immigrants can ever be so harsh on them.
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Who sends their child alone to another nation?
A lot of them were ripped from their parents at the border, their parents came to ask for assylum, which isn't actually illegal. Also those children already have families, they are not being set up with families to begin with...but even if they were that is hardly a solution to being ripped away from their already existing parents. There is video and audio of children screaming and crying from being torn away from their parents.
The ones that came without parents probably don't have parents, they're parents are probably dead. Maybe you don't know much about how things work in the nations they come from.
They are not seeking asylum. They are trying to enter the country illegally. People who go to a port of entry and file for asylum have no problems. This is just impacting people who get caught crossing the border illegally. When they get caught, the parents have the choice of being immediately deported with their kids or to start the process which will separate them from their kids. It's 100% the parents' fault. Unfortunately, we don't have a choice if we want to enforce the law. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that kids cannot be held with their parents. If we want to enforce the law, the parents have to be held and the kids cannot be held with them.
BS, they presented themselves to border patrol agents to request asylum. This is quite plainly not simply people getting caught sneaking across the border. Also, thats not legal asylum seekers are supposed to have their request processed and have a chance of being granted asylum not immeaditely deported or criminally detained. However doesn't sound like they are given this choice based on a lot of accounts...many were told their children were getting a bath, then later told them they will never see them again. It is 100% Trump and Sessions fault for instating this disgusting policy.
And what law are you talking about there is no law that says children must be ripped from the arms of asylum seekers or that they are to be immeaditely deported. The law says their request for asylum has to be processed before a decision is made...and certainly nothing about taking away their kids.
Justify it all you want though. Also its kids cannot be held in prison with their parents....asylum seekers should not be getting sent to prison in the first place. But go ahead and justify this cruelty all you want.
Presenting yourself to a border agent is not a legal option. If they want to request asylum, they need to go to a legal port of entry and begin the process there. If they present themselves to a border agent to request asylum, they are in the country illegally until the process is completed. Since, according to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the children cannot be held captive with the parents, they must be separated. Legally, the children cannot be kept with the parents. In 1997, the federal government made an agreement in a case called Flores not to keep unaccompanied illegal immigrant children in custody beyond 20 days. The settlement said nothing about accompanied illegal immigrant children – children who crossed the border with their parents. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals then ruled that accompanied children also could not be held in custody under the terms of the settlement. This meant that the government either had to release whole families, or that the government had to separate parents from children.
