04 Nov 2018, 10:52 am
04 Nov 2018, 11:33 am
To those that have lost belief in a God of their understanding. It is harder to get that belief back - then those that have never had it. (IMHO)
Perhaos try.
Good
Orderly
Direction
Or doing the next right thing.
I can only share my journey. Each has their own.
I like the scene where Indiana Jones had to jump on by the Leap of faith.
04 Nov 2018, 12:22 pm
drlaugh wrote:
To those that have lost belief in a God of their understanding. It is harder to get that belief back - then those that have never had it. (IMHO)
Perhaos try.
Good
Orderly
Direction
Or doing the next right thing.
I can only share my journey. Each has their own.
I like the scene where Indiana Jones had to jump on by the Leap of faith.
Perhaos try.
Good
Orderly
Direction
Or doing the next right thing.
I can only share my journey. Each has their own.
I like the scene where Indiana Jones had to jump on by the Leap of faith.
Perhaps I didn't explain it well. They did the whole God, pray and praise thing. They did the leap of faith. They did the sincere asking. They found it all empty and useless. They have no desire to get it back. If in ones experience it is empty and useless, then why would they want it back? Its just a waste of time.
04 Nov 2018, 12:34 pm
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05 Nov 2018, 6:26 am
05 Nov 2018, 6:41 am
Sabreclaw wrote:
First of all, this argument doesn't work on uncaring/indifferent Gods, of which there are countless.
I know Christains like to believe that every non-Christain religion is evil and that all other gods are fake but their God is not the only caring deity. If you want me to list you names of deities in other religions who actually show compassion towards people I'd be more than happy to.
05 Nov 2018, 6:53 am
Sabreclaw wrote:
Think about it in comparison to children. Now most of them hate veggies, yet their parents make them eat it anyway. To the kids, this is quite a mortifying experience and a great injustice, but ultimately it's good for them.
Now suppose the being violently hacked to pieces by a maniac with a machete while you're caught in a tsunami just so happens to be a good thing to happen to somebody. It sounds ridiculous, because we're looking at it from the perspective of the kids being fed the veggies, rather than the parents doing the feeding. So in our mind, horrific, gruesome, horrifying torture and death is bad, but perhaps in the long run it is in fact something humans need to go through to reach some abstract spiritual enlightenment and inner peace.
Obviously this is absurd, but when we talk about an omniscient being, that means we can simply define anything that sounds like an issue out of the picture by simply assuming it's beyond our mortal minds' understanding.
Now suppose the being violently hacked to pieces by a maniac with a machete while you're caught in a tsunami just so happens to be a good thing to happen to somebody. It sounds ridiculous, because we're looking at it from the perspective of the kids being fed the veggies, rather than the parents doing the feeding. So in our mind, horrific, gruesome, horrifying torture and death is bad, but perhaps in the long run it is in fact something humans need to go through to reach some abstract spiritual enlightenment and inner peace.
Obviously this is absurd, but when we talk about an omniscient being, that means we can simply define anything that sounds like an issue out of the picture by simply assuming it's beyond our mortal minds' understanding.
I don't think that's a very good comparison at all. You're comparing a parent who's trying to do something harmless but unpleasant because it's what is right for their child to a violent psychopath with no respect for human life and a major disaster that destroys countless lives and traumatizes people forever.
If God is really trying to bring us closer to him by destroying people and causing so much pain and suffering in the world then I'd say he's really failed as a parent. Hell I wonder how many people have turned away from believing in God because of that? Sounds like an abusive parent to me.
It just really irks me when some people try to argue that all of the horrible things that happen in this world are God's will and that us insignifigant humans should be happy and grateful for all this suffering because apparently we are all too stupid and simplistic to understand what real love is. That is complete and utter BS!
05 Nov 2018, 7:54 am
05 Nov 2018, 8:01 am
This graphic from the chans sums up my journey pretty well. Not quite made it to the last panel yet, but who knows.
Interestingly Richard Dawkins is now roughly between panel 2 and 3.
05 Nov 2018, 8:29 am
Mikah wrote:
This graphic from the chans sums up my journey pretty well. Not quite made it to the last panel yet, but who knows.
Interestingly Richard Dawkins is now roughly between panel 2 and 3.
Interestingly Richard Dawkins is now roughly between panel 2 and 3.
Yeah sorry, I don't believe all atheists really think that small minded. I certainly don't.
Some atheists actually do respect a person's religous rights and don't think that being religous automatically makes you "stupid". In fact I bet it's people like atheists who are actually more in favor of religous freedom than Christains. Christains have made it blatantly obvious for centuries that they only want religous freedom for themselves and that they think people from other religions (or atheists) should be treated like second class citizens until they decide to convert. Of course they're not the only organized religion that feels that way.
05 Nov 2018, 8:48 am
05 Nov 2018, 9:13 am
05 Nov 2018, 9:15 am
Mikah wrote:
It's a meme, understand it as such.
I really don't get a lot of memes.
05 Nov 2018, 9:28 am
