For those who say men shouldn't be saying abortion is wrong

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15 Nov 2018, 7:41 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
How did abortion become the #1 most contentious social issue?
Religion, especially the Christian religions of the Religious  Reich  Right.



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16 Nov 2018, 10:35 am

What about women who have always been infertile? They much like any man can never become pregnant.



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16 Nov 2018, 11:17 am

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What about women who have always been infertile? They much like any man can never become pregnant.
What about them? Even if she is infertile, that still gives no right to any man to decide what a woman is or is not allowed to do with her own sexual organs.



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16 Nov 2018, 12:05 pm

What I'm saying is that should infertile women not be saying it is wrong for women to get an abortion since they can never get pregnant themselves?



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16 Nov 2018, 1:04 pm

I don't take issue with men expressing their feelings on abortion, I just happen to think women's opinions carry more weight.

It's not unlike circumcision. I certainly have thoughts on it, but I think they should take a backseat to men's opinions on the subject.


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16 Nov 2018, 1:12 pm

This line of thinking is just poor. If one believes that only women should be able to criticize abortion, they better also believe that only former US presidents can criticize the current president.



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16 Nov 2018, 2:44 pm

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This line of thinking is just poor. If one believes that only women should be able to criticize abortion, they better also believe that only former US presidents can criticize the current president.
Who is saying that only women should criticize abortion? Free speech is a right, so use it.

I'll say this again: Since only women get pregnant, and since only women can have abortions, then only women should be allowed to decide if abortion should be legal. Also, since women own their bodies and their reproductive organs, then only women should be allowed to decide whether or not to have abortions. Women also have every right and reason to say "No" to any form of unwanted sexual contact.

Men should just get used to the idea that they have no right to women's bodies, that the individual privilege for sexual activity can only be granted by the individual woman, and that this privilege can be withdrawn by the woman at any time, even during sexual intercourse!

Women are not the property of men, collectively or individually.

Criticize this all you want, but you would be better off to simply accept it and deal with it.



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16 Nov 2018, 2:55 pm

NewTime wrote:
What I'm saying is that should infertile women not be saying it is wrong for women to get an abortion since they can never get pregnant themselves?
"Infertile" does not men "Impregnable" or "Inconceivable", so even infertile women have the potential to become pregnant through in vitro fertilization, surrogate pregnancies, and even uterine transplants. So yes, infertile women are included in the statement "Only women should be allowed to decide the legality of abortion, and only an individual woman should be allowed to decide whether or not she receives an abortion".

Criticize the idea of female reproductive autonomy all you want, but it still won't change the fact that women own their bodies and (especially) their reproductive organs. If you can't accept that idea, then go join an Incel website and commiserate with the losers there.



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16 Nov 2018, 3:00 pm

I don't mind if a man has an opinion on abortion, I just have a problem with a man imposing restrictions on what a woman can or can't do to her own body.

At least with "pro life" women, they make their decision from some emic perspective of being female, which puts them in the situation of knowing an unwanted pregnancy could happen to them and being faced with it directly, but a man never has to contend with being pregnant.

If we decided to send people to war by voting and only men were sent to war, then I would also think that women should not be able to vote to send men to war, because she should have no right to force him to put his life in danger when she herself is free from having to face that danger. She should only have the right to vote against sending him them to war because that may be her husband or father or son and she has a right to protect his life if his death will impact her in some tangeable way.



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16 Nov 2018, 3:05 pm

NewTime wrote:
What about women who have always been infertile? They much like any man can never become pregnant.


True but most of them don't know it and most conditions that impact a woman's fertility do not leave them infertile but just with low fertility.

The only women for whom infertility in the sense of not being able to conceive naturally can be known with certainty are women who have no ovaries or no uterus, blocked, abscent, or severed fallopian tubes, or blind or absent vaginas.



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16 Nov 2018, 3:08 pm

Chronos wrote:
I don't mind if a man has an opinion on abortion, I just have a problem with a man imposing restrictions on what a woman can or can't do to her own body.
Thank you. That's what I've been trying to say all along.

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If we decided to send people to war by voting and only men were sent to war, then I would also think that women should not be able to vote to send men to war, because she should have no right to force him to put his life in danger when she herself is free from having to face that danger. She should only have the right to vote against sending him them to war because that may be her husband or father or son and she has a right to protect his life if his death will impact her in some tangeable way.
Good point. So if women in Congress can vote to reinstate The Draft, then they should also make it so that women can be drafted to fight and die on the front lines in a war. Otherwise, only men should decide when and if other men should be drafted.



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16 Nov 2018, 3:15 pm

Fnord wrote:
Chronos wrote:
I don't mind if a man has an opinion on abortion, I just have a problem with a man imposing restrictions on what a woman can or can't do to her own body.
Thank you. That's what I've been trying to say all along.

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If we decided to send people to war by voting and only men were sent to war, then I would also think that women should not be able to vote to send men to war, because she should have no right to force him to put his life in danger when she herself is free from having to face that danger. She should only have the right to vote against sending him them to war because that may be her husband or father or son and she has a right to protect his life if his death will impact her in some tangeable way.
Good point. So if women in Congress can vote to reinstate The Draft, then they should also make it so that women can be drafted to fight and die on the front lines in a war. Otherwise, only men should decide when and if other men should be drafted.


More or less yes. Women should only get cast a no vote in that.



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16 Nov 2018, 3:23 pm

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I don't take issue with men expressing their feelings on abortion, I just happen to think women's opinions carry more weight.


I believe the term is "baby weight".



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16 Nov 2018, 4:31 pm

Uiteindelijk wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
I don't take issue with men expressing their feelings on abortion, I just happen to think women's opinions carry more weight.


I believe the term is "baby weight".


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Nice one.


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16 Nov 2018, 6:16 pm

Fnord wrote:
Chronos wrote:
I don't mind if a man has an opinion on abortion, I just have a problem with a man imposing restrictions on what a woman can or can't do to her own body.
Thank you. That's what I've been trying to say all along.

Chronos wrote:
If we decided to send people to war by voting and only men were sent to war, then I would also think that women should not be able to vote to send men to war, because she should have no right to force him to put his life in danger when she herself is free from having to face that danger. She should only have the right to vote against sending him them to war because that may be her husband or father or son and she has a right to protect his life if his death will impact her in some tangeable way.
Good point. So if women in Congress can vote to reinstate The Draft, then they should also make it so that women can be drafted to fight and die on the front lines in a war. Otherwise, only men should decide when and if other men should be drafted.


Would that also mean that most of us wouldn't get a say, as the military excludes autistic people?


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16 Nov 2018, 6:35 pm

No law should tell any women what to do with their body. It's their body, I totally agree with that.
But saying that men have absolutely no word is just plain wrong. Childrens also have impacts on men. We don't live in the 50s anymore you know. Imagine a situation where the boyfriend wants a child but the girlfriend not. Case closed? Is this fair?


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