Do you think healthcare is a right?

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Dylanperr
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04 Jun 2018, 4:23 pm

Do you think it is?

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04 Jun 2018, 4:24 pm

Access to health care is a right. Actually receiving health care is a privilege.

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04 Jun 2018, 4:26 pm

Fnord wrote:

Access to health care is a right. Actually receiving health care is a privilege.

What do you mean by that?

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04 Jun 2018, 4:32 pm

Yes.

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04 Jun 2018, 4:34 pm

Dylanperr wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Access to health care is a right. Actually receiving health care is a privilege.

What do you mean by that?

Exactly as stated.

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04 Jun 2018, 5:20 pm

I believe that all needs are rights ... or should be.

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04 Jun 2018, 5:31 pm

yes

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04 Jun 2018, 5:32 pm

No one has a right to the time and resources of another person so no, healthcare is not a right.

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04 Jun 2018, 6:37 pm

Bataar wrote:

No one has a right to the time and resources of another person so no, healthcare is not a right.

So ... people who can't afford a life-saving operation should just die?

Good luck telling them that. I doubt that the poor are going to keep voting for their own death for much longer.

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04 Jun 2018, 6:43 pm

Yes, I do.

If a country wants us to fight their wars for them, and die for them, and go through all the crap for the country's defense.....then I believe the country has to offer us something in return.....like free healthcare.

What's fair is fair. They govern us. They should provide free healthcare.

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04 Jun 2018, 7:17 pm

It's a paid service, not a right.

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04 Jun 2018, 7:22 pm

A right is an inalienable entitlement -- You have the right to pursue happiness, for example.

A privilege is a revocable entitlement -- Your driver's license can be revoked, denying you the privilege of driving a car, for example.

In the case of medical care, while you do have the inalienable right to life, the privilege of obtaining medical care can be revoked due to religion, lack of money, death sentence, or your mother's reproductive 'choice'. In other words, someone else's determination can prevent you from receiving the treatment you need to stay alive.

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04 Jun 2018, 8:40 pm

Bootstrapping your way out of poverty is hard enough as it is. Now try doing it when you're sick with an untreated but treatable condition.

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05 Jun 2018, 12:27 am

It should be. Unfortunately, it's treated as a privilege in the States. :roll:

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05 Jun 2018, 1:02 am

It believe it shall be a right. I think it is nonsense when ANcaps say its slavery to demand that healthcare is a right. Especially us Autistics that need it.

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05 Jun 2018, 1:40 am

Dylanperr wrote:

It believe it shall be a right. I think it is nonsense when ANcaps say its slavery to demand that healthcare is a right. Especially us Autistics that need it.

That's because "an"-caps are a huge joke. According to "an"-caps, a man who lives in a mansion is a slave because he has to pay a little extra in taxes. Meanwhile, a poor man who barely makes enough money too feed his family isn't considered to be a slave.

Anarcho-crapitalism is what you get when you think about politics in your head for a long time without looking at the real world. An-crap theory has an almost mathematical simplicity to it, which is likely the reason why so many internet nerds find it attractive ... but real people are complex.

An-crap principles are about as simple as the math behind gravity ... but the real world is more complex than that. Thus, every an-crap argument resembles a surreal reductio ad absurdum sociopolitical acid trip.

In an an-crap society, landowners would effectively become the new government. Therefore, it's not anarchism at all.

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