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19 Mar 2019, 11:29 am

Using my best Judgement, I'm thinking on the democratic side it is looking as if Tulsi Gabbard is looking like the best possible option. I don't even know who is campaigning for republicans, could someone suggest good republicans I should check into?



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19 Mar 2019, 12:16 pm

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You know, the thought of Trump being elected again is quite scary, not because of Trump himself, more so because how idiotic a lot of Trump haters act. I'm not talking about everyone that hates Trump, I'm referring to the masses of people running around snatching white people out of their cars and beating them down, guilty of being old and white, "Yea, he 'looks' like a Trump voter, beat that M***** F***** down", people claiming they will leave the country and crying like children. These types of people are going to straight up flip out if Trump gets elected again and it's going to cause very serious problems. Or even the 'Russia-Collusion conspiracy theorists' that will never give up on trying to spread a conspiracy that lacks any evidence. The massive trend of legitimately 'fake news', I mean good god, the guy is riddled with faults, couldn't they stick with that rather than attempting to deceive people, pretty much promoting civil war. They truly are enemy of the people, anyone who promotes division of the people are enemy of the people. Whether you like Trump or not, how bad do you think the radicals are going to act if he gets elected again??

I am afraid of the post election period no matter who wins. The losing side is going to feel the election was stolen from them.

If Trump wins his opponents are going to feel there is nothing to lose, the only way to stop America from becoming the Fourth Reich, Putin puppet state etc is through violence. The racist element of his base will conclude that all the power of the “deep state”, the “liberal” media, the Jewish bankers etc could not stop them, thus no need for any restraint.

Trump’s relection would be the ultimate black mark on America. Trumps election can be explained that Hillary was the worst possible, candidate, complacency born of belief that Trump could never win, or if he did that the responsibilities of the office would change him. None of that will be in play if we decide to rehire him. It would show the progressives to be completely pathetic.


If Trump loses I do not think he will leave volunterly, he is going to have to be escorted or carried out by Federal Marshals. The video of that will be cause deep emotional reaction. Violence often occurs not when people feel totally beaten down but after some progress gives hope and frustration the progress is not fast enough. Think 60s riots. That will be Trump voters who are going to feel their victory was stolen.


I agree with most of what you said. The things I disagree with is 'Trumps racist base' and 'Trump will refuse to leave'. I think that Trump refusing to leave because he doesn't get re-elected is quite an odd leap with no evidence to suggest it. He isn't trying to be a dictator, he relies on votes, I bet you 100% that if Trump dosen't get re-elected he will simply leave, he isn't going to try to stay when someone else gets elected. It's pointless to debate that or predict it, I seriously doubt that is going to be an issue, time will tell.

The other point, I think it is insane that people suggest that Trumps base is racist, I get tired of hearing that, it derives from white supremacists supporting him, white supremacists make up a very tiny fraction of 1% of the population, outside of that, which isn't enough to amount to anything and that is not his base, it leaps onto a conspiracy that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racist and there is absolutely no evidence of this proposal. I seriously doubt that the incredibly small portion of white supremacists are going to start trouble if trump doesn't get elected, they are heavily outnumbered, you are talking about an estimated 150,000 people out of 327 million, that's not enough people to help anyone, therefor it would be rather ridiculous to openly speak out for the as a political candidate and would guarantee political courier suicide.

Also add in that 18% to 20% of Bernie Sanders supporters voted for Trump because they did not want to vote for Hillary. I do agree that more than likely that is the only reason he won, because the only other option was Hillary, IMO that would be a even more horrible option than Trump, that woman just strikes me as pure evil and willing to lie about anything to get votes.


I wrote "racist element" of his base not that his whole base is racist.

While he won't leave is a leap, I think it is a plausible one. I believe he will claim his election loss was "fake news" a conspiracy of the "deep state". He has been laying the groundwork for this. In 2016 he did not commit to accepting the results why would he this time, after all a lot of elements of the progressives do not think his election in 2016 was legitimate.


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19 Mar 2019, 12:46 pm

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You know, the thought of Trump being elected again is quite scary, not because of Trump himself, more so because how idiotic a lot of Trump haters act. I'm not talking about everyone that hates Trump, I'm referring to the masses of people running around snatching white people out of their cars and beating them down, guilty of being old and white, "Yea, he 'looks' like a Trump voter, beat that M***** F***** down", people claiming they will leave the country and crying like children. These types of people are going to straight up flip out if Trump gets elected again and it's going to cause very serious problems. Or even the 'Russia-Collusion conspiracy theorists' that will never give up on trying to spread a conspiracy that lacks any evidence. The massive trend of legitimately 'fake news', I mean good god, the guy is riddled with faults, couldn't they stick with that rather than attempting to deceive people, pretty much promoting civil war. They truly are enemy of the people, anyone who promotes division of the people are enemy of the people. Whether you like Trump or not, how bad do you think the radicals are going to act if he gets elected again??

I am afraid of the post election period no matter who wins. The losing side is going to feel the election was stolen from them.

If Trump wins his opponents are going to feel there is nothing to lose, the only way to stop America from becoming the Fourth Reich, Putin puppet state etc is through violence. The racist element of his base will conclude that all the power of the “deep state”, the “liberal” media, the Jewish bankers etc could not stop them, thus no need for any restraint.

Trump’s relection would be the ultimate black mark on America. Trumps election can be explained that Hillary was the worst possible, candidate, complacency born of belief that Trump could never win, or if he did that the responsibilities of the office would change him. None of that will be in play if we decide to rehire him. It would show the progressives to be completely pathetic.


If Trump loses I do not think he will leave volunterly, he is going to have to be escorted or carried out by Federal Marshals. The video of that will be cause deep emotional reaction. Violence often occurs not when people feel totally beaten down but after some progress gives hope and frustration the progress is not fast enough. Think 60s riots. That will be Trump voters who are going to feel their victory was stolen.


I agree with most of what you said. The things I disagree with is 'Trumps racist base' and 'Trump will refuse to leave'. I think that Trump refusing to leave because he doesn't get re-elected is quite an odd leap with no evidence to suggest it. He isn't trying to be a dictator, he relies on votes, I bet you 100% that if Trump dosen't get re-elected he will simply leave, he isn't going to try to stay when someone else gets elected. It's pointless to debate that or predict it, I seriously doubt that is going to be an issue, time will tell.

The other point, I think it is insane that people suggest that Trumps base is racist, I get tired of hearing that, it derives from white supremacists supporting him, white supremacists make up a very tiny fraction of 1% of the population, outside of that, which isn't enough to amount to anything and that is not his base, it leaps onto a conspiracy that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racist and there is absolutely no evidence of this proposal. I seriously doubt that the incredibly small portion of white supremacists are going to start trouble if trump doesn't get elected, they are heavily outnumbered, you are talking about an estimated 150,000 people out of 327 million, that's not enough people to help anyone, therefor it would be rather ridiculous to openly speak out for the as a political candidate and would guarantee political courier suicide.

Also add in that 18% to 20% of Bernie Sanders supporters voted for Trump because they did not want to vote for Hillary. I do agree that more than likely that is the only reason he won, because the only other option was Hillary, IMO that would be a even more horrible option than Trump, that woman just strikes me as pure evil and willing to lie about anything to get votes.


I wrote "racist element" of his base not that his whole base is racist.

While he won't leave is a leap, I think it is a plausible one. I believe he will claim his election loss was "fake news" a conspiracy of the "deep state". He has been laying the groundwork for this. In 2016 he did not commit to accepting the results why would he this time, after all a lot of elements of the progressives do not think his election in 2016 was legitimate.


My bad. I still don't think we will see outrage from the racist element, there are so few of them, they would be stupid to try anything funky, one could easily deem them as a 'terrorist organization' if they start trying to do a lot of crazy things, then their organizations would be outlawed and squashed by law enforcement.

We will see, I seriously doubt he will go to such extremes as try to stay unwanted. I could give much more credit to the idea he will do a blame game, I don't think he will try to force dictatorship though. We only have a year to go though, so we will see.

Also, I personally think there is a bit of corruption going on as for voter fraud, I saw some really funky stuff going on when Ron Paul ran for president. Some fishy things where factually going on, I watched quite a number of things that seemed very corrupt, like people meeting in a city hall where the votes casted were held in sealed boxes, many people in there late at night with boxes of fresh seals like they were trying some sneaky voter fraud s**t. Also a saw many videos of people in Florida saying the city was fining them for having Ron Paul bumper stickers on there cars and in their yards, removing signs from people's private yards and telling them they can't put up political signs in their yard and will get a $2000 fine if they do it again. Many stories of government vehicles, following them around, harassing them because of showing Ron Paul support.

Democrats are pushing for some very messed up stuff though, corrupt things IMO. They are pushing for illegals and non-citizens to be able to cast votes, then they are also trying to lower the voting age to 16, people who haven't even graduated school yet, that is very stupid to me. Catch voters before they grow up and learn more about the political world.



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19 Mar 2019, 6:28 pm

I do not think he is unwanted has a very loyal and significant base that would go along with the idea the election was rigged.


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19 Mar 2019, 6:46 pm

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Using my best Judgement, I'm thinking on the democratic side it is looking as if Tulsi Gabbard is looking like the best possible option. I don't even know who is campaigning for republicans, could someone suggest good republicans I should check into?


I would like to see Susana Martinez, Susan Collins or Bill Haslam challenge Trump.


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24 Mar 2019, 10:06 pm

"Beto" is always good for a laugh.

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28 Mar 2019, 8:39 am

Colorodo Senator Bennett - “I’m ‘very inclined’ to run for president

John Hickenlooper opposes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Green New Deal and wants you to know it

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Unlike virtually every other candidate in the 2020 Democratic field, former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper is not a fan of the Green New Deal, and he wants you to know it.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y, is the biggest star in the Democratic Party at the moment and her Green New Deal, which calls for massive government investment and regulations to fight climate change, is her signature issue.

It’s popular. A whopping 91 percent of likely Iowa Democratic caucusgoers say they favor candidates who support it, according to a Des Moines Register poll. And all six Senate Democrats running for president co-sponsored Ocasio-Cortez's bill. Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke said, “I haven't seen anything better” to fight climate change.

But much of that support may be soft since, much like Medicare for All, many presidential candidates qualify their support by saying they're open to lots of potential ways to fight climate change.


Enter Hickenlooper, who made his opposition to the plan plain in a Washington Post op-ed titled, “The Green New Deal sets us up for failure." His campaign then made sure reporters saw the op-ed and made him available for interviews.

Why?

"I wasn't out there trying to rip anything apart," Hickenlooper told NBC News in a phone interview. “I agree completely with the sense of urgency — we're within a decade or so of suffering irreversible damage of the planet."

He likes the idea of a Green New Deal, just not this one. He pointed to its inclusion of issues like a federal jobs guarantee. His op-ed cited a fact sheet put out by Ocasio-Cortez's office that doesn't reflect the content of her bill and which she later disowned, and criticized the plan for not acknowledging the role of the private sector nor the economic dislocation that would result from abruptly killing the fossil fuel sector.

“Campaigns are about different voices and different positions, and I felt there was a benefit in beginning the discussion around what would a more focused Green New Deal would look like,” he said.

Politically, the move helps Hickenlooper carve the ideological space he hopes to occupy in the crowded primary, which his advisers see as open to big ideas, but pragmatic. It's a position that has sometimes seemed muddled, like when Hickenlooper struggled to answer whether he's a capitalist. The only other candidate to vocally oppose the Green New Deal is former Rep. John Delaney.

For Hickenlooper, who once worked as a geologist in the oil and gas industry and more recently drank fracking fluid to show it was not toxic, a better solution involves bringing industry and environmentalists together and encouraging them to collaborate.

It’s a faith in compromise — critics would say a blind one — informed by his experience in Colorado, where he facilitated a process that led to fracking regulations embraced by both extractors and environmental activists.

Of course, scaling that up to a national level and to many more industries would be another matter entirely. And much of the environmental movement have now moved beyond mere regulations and want to keep carbon in the ground and prevent it from being extracted at all.

But Hickenlooper believes there is always a way to get to a compromise.

“Trust me, people told me when I said I wanted to get industry and the environmentalists to sit down together... 'You are ignorant and naive and that will never happen,'” he recalled. “But in the end it's worked. It takes time, but it's not impossible.”

He will put that belief to the test next week, when he makes a campaign swing through the South in some of the most conservative states in the country: Alabama, Georgia, Texas, South Carolina.


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29 Mar 2019, 10:02 am

NBC News: First Democratic debate set for Miami, June 26-27

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The first Democratic debate of the 2020 presidential primary will be held on June 26 and 27 in Miami, NBC News, the host of the debate, announced on Thursday.

MSNBC and Telemundo will also host. Details on the venue, moderators and timing will be announced at a later date, NBC News said in a release.

The debate will also stream online free on NBC News' digital platforms, including NBCNews.com, MSNBC.com, the NBC News Mobile App and OTT apps, in addition to Telemundo’s digital platforms.

The Democratic National Committee previously said the lineups for each debate will be chosen at random, not strictly from how candidates are ranked in polls. To qualify, a candidate will need to either have at least 1 percent support in three qualifying polls, or provide evidence of at least 65,000 unique donors, with a minimum of 200 different donors in at least 20 states. Already, more than a dozen Democratic candidates have launched presidential bid while other big names, like former Vice President Joe Biden, appear poised to enter the race.

If more than 20 candidates reach one of those two qualifications, the top 20 will be selected by using a separate method that rewards contenders for meeting both thresholds, followed by highest polling averages, and then the most unique donors.

There will be 12 debates in total over the 2020 Democratic primary season — the June debate is the first of six scheduled this year, with six more scheduled for 2020. CNN will host the second debate in July.


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31 Mar 2019, 8:44 pm

The flip side of Trump Derangement Syndrome is Democrat Messiah Syndrome, always looking for a savior.

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Just because one guy - who probably isn't serious - holds up a sign like that doesn't mean the rest of us think along those lines. May I remind you how Republicans hold breathlessly to every one of Trump's lines? Or how many refer to him as the God Emperor of the United States of America?


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01 Apr 2019, 9:52 am

Fake-news media promotes fake-Spanish candidate with fake story about fake heritage.

Associated Press Says Beto Spoke in 'His Native Spanish'

How far will the liberal media go to boost Beto O'Rourke's Hispanic street cred? In an article published today, the Associated Press wrote that in a speech he gave in his hometown of El Paso [emphasis added] :

"O'Rourke also spoke at length in his native Spanish, eliciting loud and sustained cheers."

"Native Spanish?" Sorry, AP, but Beto is an American-born, fourth-generation Irish-American. He doesn't seem ever to have lived in a Spanish-speaking country. His native language is inglés--sorry, English.


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01 Apr 2019, 6:17 pm

Word has obviously gone out to the media from DNC/Obama/Clinton headquarters that Biden is to be knocked off. He won't be around much longer.

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Staged debates, softball questions, all orchestrated by their media partners.To whom should I contribute to get the dumbest democrat on the stage...or is it all of them? Their primary attribute is a firm belief in collusion. That's the democrat core value.



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Fake-news media promotes fake-Spanish candidate with fake story about fake heritage.

Associated Press Says Beto Spoke in 'His Native Spanish'

How far will the liberal media go to boost Beto O'Rourke's Hispanic street cred? In an article published today, the Associated Press wrote that in a speech he gave in his hometown of El Paso [emphasis added] :


"O'Rourke also spoke at length in his native Spanish, eliciting loud and sustained cheers."

"Native Spanish?" Sorry, AP, but Beto is an American-born, fourth-generation Irish-American. He doesn't seem ever to have lived in a Spanish-speaking country. His native language is inglés--sorry, English.


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It is funny to hear about all the stupid things they are doing.

Beta is all of a sudden spanish, one white lady was claiming to be a native, and Bernie Sanders said white people don't know what it's like to be poor. It's like watching a circus act, each contestant trying to outdo the other to see who can score the most brownie points with the radicals. It makes absolutely no sense either, there aren't enough radicals to win an election, they only make up like 18% of the population. It seems pretty clear at this point that there isn't much of a chance for a democrat to win 2020, they are adopting too many radical ideologies. I hope Trump wins, mostly because he isn't doing a bad job in my opinion and we really do need that wall, there was 65k illegals trying to cross the border just last month, I've heard some say that we are breaking records and illegal immigration is worse now than it has ever been.



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02 Apr 2019, 3:11 pm

Beto isn't claiming to be Spanish. One of the most respected media outlets in the world included an adjective by mistake; the AP is as close to objective as they come but it isn't flawless.

Elizabeth Warren also isn't "claiming" to be a Native American in order to "win points with radicals". She does have Native American descent, and her opponents like to use that to attack her. She never spoke publicly about her heritage until people started using it to attack her. If anything, her appeal to "radicals" is that she has apologised for having once described herself as "American Indian" on a form despite not being a tribal citizen.

I don't know much about O'Rourke but both Sanders and Warren have far more radical positions than "being descended from a native" or "thinking black people experience poverty differently". They're also only two of around 20 candidates, and they're noted for being two of the more radical ones.

The vast majority of illegal immigration to the US does not occur from border crossings. If you want to stop illegal immigration, the easiest way of doing it is by making all immigration legal. Now that's a radical position.



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Beto isn't claiming to be Spanish. One of the most respected media outlets in the world included an adjective by mistake; the AP is as close to objective as they come but it isn't flawless.

Elizabeth Warren also isn't "claiming" to be a Native American in order to "win points with radicals". She does have Native American descent, and her opponents like to use that to attack her. She never spoke publicly about her heritage until people started using it to attack her. If anything, her appeal to "radicals" is that she has apologised for having once described herself as "American Indian" on a form despite not being a tribal citizen.

I don't know much about O'Rourke but both Sanders and Warren have far more radical positions than "being descended from a native" or "thinking black people experience poverty differently". They're also only two of around 20 candidates, and they're noted for being two of the more radical ones.

The vast majority of illegal immigration to the US does not occur from border crossings. If you want to stop illegal immigration, the easiest way of doing it is by making all immigration legal. Now that's a radical position.


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He changed him name for that exact reason. Warren pretended to be Native American and Havard boasted about having a "woman of colour". I'm probably more Native American than her. The AP is literally a joke.

Making all immigration is literally suicide for a nation. Tulsi Gabbard is the only decent candidate. All the others on offer are horrific. Worse than Trump.


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