Dave Rubin is right-wing but just won't admit it

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Yesterday, 5:09 am

This video I think shows it pretty well, but what especially stuck out to me was Rubin's softball treatment of Katie Hopkins (which you can see starting at 19:17 on the video) and his failure to give her any rope with which to hang herself (even when there was plenty of material):



Katie Hopkins is a UK far right media activist who published an article in which she dehumanized migrants from North Africa, with no exclusion of women and children in her rhetoric, by comparing them to cockroaches and vermin, and advocated violence against them. In a tweet, she called for a "final solution" with regards to these migrants, the exact same term the Nazis used as a euphemism for the Holocaust. As in the UK hate speech is illegal (whatever your view on that), this naturally prompted UK police to interview her. However, when Rubin brought her on his show to talk about this incident, he enabled her to pass it off as just innocuous mainstream conservative rhetoric and to whine and complain about how supposedly liberals and the authorities are just overreacting. He made no mention of her dehumanizing rhetoric or the violence she advocated, and repeatedly advocated on her behalf. He failed to really challenge her in any way.

Dave Rubin is supposedly concerned about the rise of extremism in recent days, and he gives extremists "enough rope to hang themselves", by having them talk at length about their extreme ideas clearly to the public, so the public would know how crazy and lunatic these people are. And indeed, such dehumanizing rhetoric for decades, from the end of World War II until very recently, was considered out of bounds in mainstream Western politics; neither the left nor the right would entertain such rhetoric and would rightly push people espousing it to the fringes. Groups like Genocide Watch listed such dehumanization as the 4th stage of genocide:

http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html

If until a few years ago, Katie Hopkins had made such rhetoric, she would rightly have been labeled an extremist.

So where is Dave Rubin? Katie Hopkins is very clearly one of those extremists he says he is so concerned about. Why did he not let Katie Hopkins hang herself on her genocidal rhetoric? Why did he allow her to sanitize it for his "centrist" audience? Was he just having a bad day?

Well, as this video shows, there's a pattern. Dave Rubin gives a pass to the far right, in order to push the Overton window to the right.


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Yesterday, 5:36 am

I'm guessing he denies being far-right and calls himself an adherent to classical liberalism?

I'm guessing that because I've come across this a few times now.

And then I read a book by a British journalist who worked in Russian media for a while, in which he describes the bizarre landscape the Russian media is creating, in which people blatantly lie about what they are doing or not doing, the corruption that's real is never mentioned, while made-up cases of corruption are discussed at length etc. Etc.
And the British journalist led an interview with a Russian neo-nazi youth group (which apparently was/is sponsored by the Kremlin).
But the neo-nazis deny being far-right or nationalist, and rather answer "we're liberals. That can mean anything".


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Yesterday, 8:05 am

shlaifu wrote:
I'm guessing he denies being far-right and calls himself an adherent to classical liberalism?

Dave Rubin, a self-described “classical liberal”.
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/dav ... s-to-burn/


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Today, 12:29 am

It seems from my own experience on WP that to hardcore liberals, being right-wing is supposed to be some sort of crime, and those supposedly trying to hide being right-wing / conservative need to be hunted down and exposed.

beneficii wrote:
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beneficii wrote:

Don't ever pretend again that you're not on the right. You are a pretty clear conservative, judging from this thread.


I'll do whatever I want, you're not the boss of me.


Well, I'll make sure to keep referencing this event to show that you are conservative


See what I mean?



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Today, 12:58 am

EzraS wrote:
It seems from my own experience on WP that to hardcore liberals, being right-wing is supposed to be some sort of crime, and those supposedly trying to hide being right-wing / conservative need to be hunted down and exposed.

beneficii wrote:
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beneficii wrote:

Don't ever pretend again that you're not on the right. You are a pretty clear conservative, judging from this thread.


I'll do whatever I want, you're not the boss of me.


Well, I'll make sure to keep referencing this event to show that you are conservative


See what I mean?


So is it mainstream conservatism now to compare migrants to cockroaches and vermin, and call for a "final solution"? If not, then why do you want to enable such extremists on the right to avoid the social consequences of their genocidal rhetoric?


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Today, 1:29 am

shlaifu wrote:
I'm guessing he denies being far-right and calls himself an adherent to classical liberalism?

I'm guessing that because I've come across this a few times now.

And then I read a book by a British journalist who worked in Russian media for a while, in which he describes the bizarre landscape the Russian media is creating, in which people blatantly lie about what they are doing or not doing, the corruption that's real is never mentioned, while made-up cases of corruption are discussed at length etc. Etc.
And the British journalist led an interview with a Russian neo-nazi youth group (which apparently was/is sponsored by the Kremlin).
But the neo-nazis deny being far-right or nationalist, and rather answer "we're liberals. That can mean anything".


Yeah, it's very disappointing what American conservatives have been doing in the past decade or so. They've become quite fanatical. I find it very alarming that not even supposed "centrist" Ezra can join me in condemning Katie Hopkins's rhetoric. 10-15 years ago, most Republicans, including George W. Bush and John McCain, would have been the first to stand up to condemn such dehumanizing rhetoric. Now, they're trying to make the true center and center-leftists seem extreme for even just seeking to shine a light on such rhetoric. This shows they're reactionaries who are trying to make more and more extreme right-wing policies seem like the "center".


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beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It seems from my own experience on WP that to hardcore liberals, being right-wing is supposed to be some sort of crime, and those supposedly trying to hide being right-wing / conservative need to be hunted down and exposed.

beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
beneficii wrote:

Don't ever pretend again that you're not on the right. You are a pretty clear conservative, judging from this thread.


I'll do whatever I want, you're not the boss of me.


Well, I'll make sure to keep referencing this event to show that you are conservative


See what I mean?


So is it mainstream conservatism now to compare migrants to cockroaches and vermin, and call for a "final solution"? If not, then why do you want to enable such extremists on the right to avoid the social consequences of their genocidal rhetoric?


It's about trying to get conservatives viewed as Nazis. "If we can convince enough people to believe that republicans / conservatives are Nazis, then success is ours". It's pretty blatantly obvious that is what's going on. Lots of scheming and duplicity, which is why I am critical of it. Which means that I need to be seen as a Nazi myself or at least be viewed as a Nazi sympathizer.