Why do Evil always win?

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* Trump getting voted in office because he threatened NATO, EU, Human Rights and other good stuff.
* Turkish Erdogan voted by the general turkish population in- and outside of Turkey, to become a dictator.
* Hungary's Orban abolishing several democratic institutions and principles in a EU-country.
* British vote to first leave EU, then re-electing the Tories and win no-confidence vote.
* Italy's openly Fascist-parties with veneration for Mussolini, getting in office.
* AFD-party becoming the largest opposition party in Germany - threatening to topple the current government in the near future.
* Sweden Democrats becoming the largest opposition party in Sweden, threatening to topple the current government in the near future.

What is it with Right Wing Fascism that makes it so much more popular than say left-wing liberalism?

Or to put it in another saying:

Why do evil people always win in this god-forsaken world?

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The problem is social justice.
How do we gain social justice without stamping our foot on other people? Sharing seemed to be the answer when the internet came about, but then people just stomp their feet instead, and if someone gets in the way, well then tough luck.

Maybe, when quantum computers can help solve our problems, without inbuilt biases, then that will pave way for the future, but it all relies on a world view that says: "This is the way things are indefinitely," without any alternative explanations. That is why evil wins, because it is cowardly and simply hijacks senses and reasonable ways of thinking. Turning bad into good and good into bad almost as if it is an act of free will.

Your examples of Lenin and Stalin only strengthen my claim that evil wins.

I believe that the true reason why Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Franco, Hitler, Mussolini, Trump, Erdogan, Orban, Duterte, Bolsonaro etc. are elected is because THE PEOPLE themselves are evil, THE PEOPLE are sadistic psychopaths who like to stomp their feet on the weak.

Prove it wrong, please. I sure hope there are more good people (left wing liberal non-psychopaths) than bad people (right wing fascist psychopaths) in this world.

I'm not saying all right wingers are fascists though. I'm just saying that all fascists are bad people. Fascists in the Mussolini- Stalin- and Mao-way, that is. Not those who are called fascists simply because you don't agree with them.

If you think Brexit was about right wing xenophobia, you need to take a political science class. I voted for Brexit as a committed socialist because the EU is dedicated to austerity, privatisation, deregulation and anything else that benefits the banking elite. The EU has nothing to do with egalitarianism, peace or any of the other ridiculous and transparent rhetoric it uses; it's about the appropriation of the wealth of the masses by the super wealthy. It's also ruled by unaccountable bureaucrats who cannot be removed from office by the people and operate in complete secrecy. These people do not care one jot about the people, whatever their race.

I don't know what's so hard to understand about what you said to others. But I'm glad my theory that the Out vote crossed party lines stands true. I share your sentiments about the EU.

EU is far from perfect, and yes it is dominated by Conservatives and Neo-libertarian wealthy elite.

But this is because people get what they vote for during EU-parliament elections. People generally vote Conservative or Libertarian, not Socialist.

If people voted Socialist, the EU would be a Socialist union, not a Capitalist union.

Personally I vote far left in EU-parliamentary elections.

No, even if everybody voted for socialist candidates at the EU elections, it still wouldn't make any difference, because MEPs have no real power; the European Parliament is no more than a debating society, equivalent to the House of Lords in the UK. It is the unelected European COMMISSION that has sole power to motion for legislation in the EU. There's also the fact that the EU constitution itself is biased towards austerity and privatisation. Most "socialists" don't realise that it is ILLEGAL for an EU member state to nationalise industry. This just shows what frauds Syriza in Greece and Podemos in Spain are. They claim to wish to bring socialism and nationalisation of industry to the people, and yet they also support the EU. I think the people of the Mediterranean countries have Stockholm Syndrome. And again, the law against nationalisation cannot be overturned by the democratic process because MEPs have no legal right to introduce such legislation, and the Commission WON'T introduce such legislation because it's owned by Big Business and German bankers.

That's a hard question to answer, since every 'evil' person has his or her own motivations for doing the things they do.

First, I define 'evil' as being entirely self-centered. This means that evil people will tend to display aspects of narcissism, sociopathy, greed, an utter lack of compassion toward others, and utter contempt for The Law. Most evil people do evil things for their own benefit, and no one else's, while flaunting their ability to avoid legal entanglements.

Second, the old saying that "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is extremely valid, if not absolute truth. Give someone enough power (i.e., wealth, influence, authority, et cetera) and watch them turn into another embodiment of evil. This is true from the common bridezilla all the way up to governmental leaders.

Third, once a person accumulates enough power, it is extremely difficult (if not impossible) for the average person to stop him or her from getting away with hurting others. Even the people who enact The Law will find some loophole that lets them get away with raping the environment, imprisoning dissidents, and generally ignoring the needs of those whom they've impoverished.

So, why do evil people always get ahead? They don't. GOOD people get ahead, and then the power that comes from getting ahead corrupts them and convinces them that they are so much better than anyone else that they don't have to behave ethically, legally, or morally.

That's called Hubris.

I'm not sure if the people who allow monsters like Hitler to get too powerful are really evil or just stupid. Maybe a combination of both? Or maybe the ones who see through their evil BS don't stand up to them because that would mean death?

Yeah, the strong always prey on the weak. It's the law of the jungle. We're all gonna die one day anyways.

Look at Hungary and Poland.
They can get away even with abolishing democratic institutions and principles.

And the EU won't do any harm to them.

If Hungary and Poland can do what they currently do, without consequences, so could any other member state.
And nationalizing industry is by far less intervening than abolishing democracy.

EU has no power on its own. It has no military to intervene. It has nothing. Go ahead, nationalize your industry!
Your country has nothing to fear. EU is weak.

Syriza-party in Greece and other socialist governments in EU-member states are naive cowards. They could've nationalized industry long ago. EU cannot harm anyone.

The EU has at the very least the nominal power to inflict severe fines on renegade member states. I believe that these fines have been enforced in the past. But even if its power to intervene were merely nominal, it would still be an enormous disincentive towards action, particularly for a country that wished to uphold the rule of law.