Getting Back to "Traditional American Values".

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If other people are saying this about impoverished white Americans from their own personal experiences than obviously it's not that small of a group that does this. Even Fnord just explained that he had a similar experience as me growing up.

And I'm not trying to say all impoverished white people are racist. I know a lot who aren't the least bit prejudice. But there really IS a mindset that comes with the American white culture that anyone who isn't white is still beneath you even if they have worked hard to get to the top and got an education. Maybe you should go around asking more white people like me and Fnord who grew up in working class families and do a little statistics research about this of your own? I bet you would learn for yourself how true this is.

Edit: Actually maybe that's a stupid idea considering the fact that anyone who is racist will deny actually being racist.

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There are general trends and tendencies for each ethnic group, age group, gender identity, political affiliation, religious affiliation, and so forth. There are also wide variations within each group.

To say that ALL people in a certain group will believe in certain things or behave in certain ways is erroneous, but to say that MOST people in a certain group ARE LIKELY to believe in certain things or behave in certain ways is more accurate, since actuarial studies are based on overall statistical trends, and not on perceptions and opinions.

"Thus, while the law permits the Americans to do what they please, religion prevents them from conceiving, and forbids them to commit, what is rash or unjust."

"America's identity is freedom. France's identity is freedom, equality and fraternity. Japan has no sense of that. Only greed. Material greed, monetary greed."

It was vile though . nowadays everything vile is like casually trolling.

Forgive me for asking but what is that a picture of? Is that guy pouring bleach into the pool? Is that making fun of the term "whitewash"?

Actually I probably don't want to know what that photo was about...

Back to the Banana!

Not all poor whites are part of Trump's base. I don't have a pot to urinate in, and neither do my closest friends, but we're all unabashed liberals. Then again, my wife, my friends and I are all of an artistic bent, and tend to be educated and well read. Trump's fan club would no doubt call us effete.

Me, my mom, my sister and brothers, and even one of my grandmothers who identifies as Republican all hate Trump and we are all poor too.

Good for you all!
But you know, it's been said that the enchantment of the poor and working class for Trump has been overrated. In fact, a great many people of more middle class standing, who live in fear of "the other" taking their entitled social position from them, make up a great number of Trump's supporters.

I think that in a state like Georgia where racist impoverished rednecks are rampant everywhere (of course not every white person in Georgia is a racist redneck, I certainly am not) Trump has pretty much won the majority of people over here for obvious reasons.

"Traditional American Values" are based in classical liberalism, "Enlightenment" values, and rebellion against the Crown, and thus, God. So "traditional American values" are actually anti-Traditional.

It is no surprise that the American government has largely been a force for modernity. It has been wrong about many of its foreign policy decision. Just look at Wilson's decision to enter the Great War. With out the US, Germany would have won and the great monarchies of Europe would not have fallen. And without the abdication of the Kaiser, there wouldn't have been the unstable political vacuum for Hitler to come to power.

It feels to me like nowadays the American government is becoming the same oppressive European government that they fought against in wars.

I've had to swallow a bitter pill with the realization that the east side of Washington state, where I reside, is much more conservative than most of us wanted to believe. Spokane and the adjacent area has each foot in different regions of the country. One foot is firmly planted on the west coast, with it's culture of cosmopolitan tolerance, while the other is set in the Rocky Mountain west, in particular sharing values and prejudices with Idaho and Montana. While I enjoy the history and romanticism of my region's old west legacy, I find myself culturally in tune with the west coast.

I knew a woman from Montana who was very racist I have an uncle who is a black man who came to visit us in Pensacola, Florida and this woman saw him and called the cops because she assumed he was some sort of criminal trying to break into our house and I was very offended by that...

Is it true that there's not a lot of black people that live in Montana? I've heard that the further north you go in the US the less black people you find unless you're in big cities. Here in the deep south we actually have a very high population of African Americans living in states like Georgia even in small towns like Thomasville and Cairo where I grew up.

And there are things I love about Georgia despite the history of slavery and black oppression. Georgia really is a very beautiful and friendly state. I like it better than Florida.

It's pretty much true. The Pacific Northwest, despite having a comparatively decent history concerning black Americans, is for the most part lily white. But there are more black people appearing around the Spokane area these days.

Interesting.

I think here in the south in places like Georgia even though there is still a lot of racial tension most white people in this area, even the racist ones, are kind of tolerant of being around black people simply because of the fact that there are so many of them in this area and you see them everywhere you go. They work in our schools as teachers, they go to class with you, you see them both as doctors/nurses and as patients in hospitals, they shop and work in the same stores you go to, some are our local police officers, etc.

In a way the south really isn't as racist as we often get portrayed as being on TV, at least not in modern times. I'm very glad for that.