Japan managed to win its war on drugs. Why can't we?

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Prohibition policies do far more damage to society than any drug ever could.

Your posts aren't really doing your argument any favours. What are you on about? You mentioned cancer! My parents have both had cancer and I'm not against cannabis being used as treatment. That is completely separate to just wanting to get high.

It's already illegal like a lot of other drugs.

I didn't realise you'd become left wing, I must've missed that. A lot of the new left/liberals are against free speech.

Exactly.

Your first paragraph shows that you missed my point re Common Law entirely. The fact that we currently tolerate some unhealthy practises as a society doesn't mean that we should introduce new ones, and scrapping the current ones wholesale with, as it were, one motion of the hand, places too much confidence in the ability of bureaucrats to determine what will be good for us and to avoid unforeseen effects of legislation. Of course, even if I did have to drop my argument from individual health effects which, by the way, I acknowledge isn't wholly clearcut, there is still the much, much stronger argument on the basis of neighborhood effects. I think I stated earlier that the paternalistic argument for cannabis prohibition is, for me, secondary to the one made on the basis of public morals and crime levels.

As for your accusation of puritanism on my part, I have no objection to anybody's enjoying their pet vices, generally speaking, provided they're aware of the risks involved and harm nobody else. This is implicit in the fact that, unlike those on what passes for the "left" of the political spectrum today, I don't advocate banning cigarettes or covering the packaging in pictures of dying children and I don't advocate banning meat.


What makes you think this? I suppose we should relax our laws prohibiting murder and burglary, then.

Most of the propaganda comes from Hollywood, so people are being indoctrinated while they are being "entertained". There wouldn't be a global campaign to legalise it because billionaires and millionaires care about 'freedom'.

There's a strong correlation with illegal/legal drugs with mass shootings and terrorist attacks. It is lunacy to try and legalise more.

Prohibition gave us the crime syndicate.

You're completely wrong, THC is necessary in moderate amounts if someone wants the maximum benefit of non-psychoactive cannabinoids. People are dying all the time from legal opiates & those get them higher than weed ever could. Demeaning people for getting high but making an exception if someone's dying is a double standard I'm not inclined to put up with, ever. It's legal to sell cigarettes laced with industrial toxins, enough fentanyl to kill entire towns, rat poison as heart medicine but god forbid some weirdos dancing around a flower.

It's an education problem why I have a hard time understanding what you are trying to say. Sorry about that, I can't help it. The way you word things makes it difficult for me to understand what exactly you are trying to say.

Prohibiting things can have it's own very negative impacts, as VegetableMan pointed out. How does marijuana destroy neighborhoods? Bad neighborhoods have all kinds of factors that contribute to being bad neighborhoods, it's not like if you allow a neighborhood to smoke marijuana it will go from good to bad, call me crazy but I don't believe there is any shred of evidence to suggest that. The most dominate factor of bad neighborhoods is poverty. Which also leads to prohibited drugs being sold for money and the most damaging drugs are meth, crack, cocaine and heroin....not marijuana. The fact of the matter is people are going to do what they wish to do regardless of whether it is legal or not, since over 50% of Americans feel marijuana should be legal then it should be legal and it isn't an extremely negative substance like you make it out to be. Cigarettes and alcohol are more harmful than marijuana, so it's silly to suggest that because it was made illegal it should permanently remain illegal no matter that lies were used to make it illegal and no matter how many people think it should be legal and will continue to use it regardless.

And the most insane thing I read is, well, perhaps we should make murder and robbing people legal also. That is an extremely insane comparison. I bet 50% of Americans wouldn't be on board with that proposal. I would be shocked if you could get 0.01% of people in America to suggest that is a good idea.

About the last thing someone smoking pot wants is to cause trouble. They usually just want a really big bag of Cheetos.

LOL

Funny thing you mention that. My 3rd time smoking I ate a family sized bag of cheese puffs after smoking one joint, then someone lit another and every time it got passed to me it became more covered in orange cheese powder so they decided to start calling me cheeto boy.

Yeah, I never liked that orange dust. I always tended to eat sweat things when I was cerebrally enhanced. One I found a full bag of M&Ms in a drawer I'd forgotten was there. It was like a religious experience.

I smoke herb so I can deliver better technology to your entire planet. Get over it.

OP & others here would rather see me strung out on oxycodone than treating my nerve pain, insomnia & anxiety by natural means. Right now my eyes feel like they're roasting on these screens. You can't fix that with percocet.

Being anti-marijuana pretty much only means being pro-heroin. A good friend of mine is a recovering opiate user. Taking our weed away would only push us towards much more dangerous drugs,I won't bore you woth the particulars because I already know you just don't care.

Just smoke a joint and smile
It's not going to happen, more and more people are getting on board with legalizing marijuana, even politicians and non-smokers/users. My mom has never smoked and even she believes that it was ridiculous to ever ban it in the first place. (just another way to stock prisoners that did no harm)

I like salty foods more than sweets, mostly that's because my teeth are sensitive to sugar. I don't really eat chees puffs anymore, but I love chocolate milk and pretzels. Sadly I'm not able to smoke anymore because I don't have any money to buy any. I miss being able to sleep good, now I constantly roll and have insanely stressful dreams.