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04 Mar 2019, 12:02 pm

Attacking ideologies is acceptable, but attacking everybody with said ideologies is in violation of WP rules.

If your thread title was “Conservatism is racist”, rather than “Conservatives are racist”, that would be ok.

That said, conservatism is a spectrum, as is liberalism, within the larger political spectrum.


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04 Mar 2019, 12:13 pm

I do not consider myself a conservative but your claim is unjustified and mostly serves to make liberals and progressives appear narrow-minded (at best).


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04 Mar 2019, 2:49 pm

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Kinda hard to argue against the legitimacy of those examples the article provided.


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04 Mar 2019, 3:48 pm

You are a very funny guy. The notion that 'conservatives are racist' is left wing proposed garbage. Conservative means to fall in line with particular political opinions, none of those opinions are 'white power'. While yes, some racist people call themselves conservative, some racist people also call themselves democrats, in fact, the KKK was founded by people who called themselves democrats. Their are videos all over youtube of Trump supporters with MAGA hats on telling white supremacists to go F-Off and get away from them. There are conservatives within every race, there are people with MAGA hats on within every race. Black conservatives are on the rise, how about go explain to them that because they are conservatives, they are racist. Anyone who would insist all conservatives are racist have lost touch with reality. It's a theory born out of the 'radical left' whom actually spit racist slurs at (non-white)people for being conservative.



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04 Mar 2019, 4:48 pm

Crimadella wrote:
You are a very funny guy. The notion that 'conservatives are racist' is left wing proposed garbage. Conservative means to fall in line with particular political opinions, none of those opinions are 'white power'. While yes, some racist people call themselves conservative, some racist people also call themselves democrats, in fact, the KKK was founded by people who called themselves democrats. Their are videos all over youtube of Trump supporters with MAGA hats on telling white supremacists to go F-Off and get away from them. There are conservatives within every race, there are people with MAGA hats on within every race. Black conservatives are on the rise, how about go explain to them that because they are conservatives, they are racist. Anyone who would insist all conservatives are racist have lost touch with reality. It's a theory born out of the 'radical left' whom actually spit racist slurs at (non-white)people for being conservative.


The Klan was founded by conservative southern Democrats whose descendants flocked to the Republican party when the national Democratic party championed civil rights, first under Nixon, then Reagan.
No, of course not all conservatives are racists, but you'd be hard pressed to prove that most racists weren't conservatives. After all, conservatism means resisting change, which in turn implies keeping with the old bad race relations.
Sure, liberals should lay off of the name calling when it comes to non-white conservatives.


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04 Mar 2019, 4:51 pm

So ... because I am fiscally conservative (i.e., frugal, stingy, penny-pinching, et cetera), that makes me a racist?

Somebody please explain why that might be so.



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04 Mar 2019, 5:29 pm

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So ... because I am fiscally conservative (i.e., frugal, stingy, penny-pinching, et cetera), that makes me a racist?

Somebody please explain why that might be so.


Because it's a strategy that works. Label people who have opposing views as racists even though the political views have nothing to do with racism, then keep linking the word to traditional values = racism. It's a way to bring the people who don't bother researching together, to express that one side of the political spectrum is honest and the other isn't. Haven't you heard, if you are a straight white male conservative, you are just another white devil. If you happen to be of another race, you aren't as guilty, you're just a sell-out dumb person whom doesn't know you are helping the white devil.

Larry Elder is a black conservative that used to be a lawyer, I believe he is a lot more intelligent than me and the many people who think conservative means racist. In fact, a lot of black conservatives are curiously very educated college and university graduates.

Just to tip some people off. Traditional values generally refers to opposite sex marriage, man works woman takes care of home and children, man and woman get married before having children.

Me personally, I do not care at all about gay marriage, I believe people should be free to do what they wish to do within the law(and law should have no say in who you marry). I do not believe in the war on drugs though, usually the way to help people is by having compassion and that has been proven to work a lot better than the war on drugs which clearly doesn't work, it escalates the problem. I don't mind if the woman has her own job, but I do think you can raise children a lot better when at least one parent is at home so the parent raises the child rather than the state. I do not care whether that parent is the mom or the father, but it does seem that it works a lot better than neither parent having time to spend with their children because they are working all the time and too tired when the get home.



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04 Mar 2019, 5:41 pm

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... Haven't you heard, if you are a straight white male conservative, you are just another white devil...
Yeah, I've heard that, along with "Only white people can be racist".

I've also heard that I'm supposed to be a racist (because I'm white), a sexist (because I'm a gynotropic cis-male), a sociopath (because I'm a veteran), untrustworthy (because I'm over 30), a traitor (because I drive a Japanese car), a Socialist (because I'm a university graduate), and a Fascist (because I support the Law and it's enforcement).

No matter what I do, someone has something bad to say about it.



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04 Mar 2019, 5:44 pm

I've known some pretty racist liberals in my time--especially those who might be termed "limousine liberals."

I've known conservatives who are color-blind. Those might be termed "socially liberal, fiscally conservative."

One species which, I believe, should be revived, is "Rockefeller Republican" (except for those mandatory sentences for low-level drug offenders).



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04 Mar 2019, 5:55 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I've known some pretty racist liberals in my time--especially those who might be termed "limousine liberals."

I've known conservatives who are color-blind. Those might be termed "socially liberal, fiscally conservative."

One species which, I believe, should be revived, is "Rockefeller Republican" (except for those mandatory sentences for low-level drug offenders).


I'm with you 100% on the Rockerfeller Republicans!


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04 Mar 2019, 9:25 pm

I have heard white liberals say that black people are so "underprivileged, and helpless" that they need white people like them to fight their battles for them. That sounds racist as hell if you ask me. Black people don't need self-righteous SJWs with a phony Messiah complex to fly in like Superman and save them. If I were black, I think that I would be insulted.


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04 Mar 2019, 9:38 pm

Fnord wrote:
So ... because I am fiscally conservative (i.e., frugal, stingy, penny-pinching, et cetera), that makes me a racist?

Somebody please explain why that might be so.


YES! YES ! Absolutely! (I'm pointing my finger at you and making unearthly noises, like in Invasion Of The Body Snatchers." :lol:


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