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Arevelion
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07 Mar 2019, 4:34 pm

I noticed that nationalism has kind of been on the rise lately, I mean with the election of Trump, with Brexit, with anti-immigrant sentiment growing in America and Europe, and even with the autistic nationalism that appears occasionally on this site. Honestly though I think it's going to fail badly and I am posting for no other reason than to be "on the record" as saying so.

What I am doing here could backfire. This whole nationalism thing could workout somehow, in which case I could end up looking like an idiot, and I wouldn't blame people for calling me one. However given nationalism's tragic track record, like as bad or worse than communism track record, I don't think that's what's going to happen.

I wish I could convince people not to be so nationalistic, but I was never good at convincing anyone of anything. Also, from what I read, it's really hard to convince people to be less nationalistic, even if you are of the more persuasive type. So with my dignity on the table, I am betting against Trump, against Brexit, against the anti-immigration sentiment, and despite being autistic myself, I am betting against autistic nationalism.

I am also betting for some things. I am throwing my lot with tolerance, with diversity, and international cooperation.

That's it. I hope everyone has a nice day.



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07 Mar 2019, 4:39 pm

I've been waiting for a chance to retrieve this list from my archives.

Patriotism: A sense of personal identification with the country.
Nationalism: A sense of personal identification with the government.

Patriotism: Equality, Liberty, and Justice for All.
Nationalism: Equality, Liberty, and Justice for the Privileged Few.

Patriotism: Fighting Nazis.
Nationalism: Being Nazis.

Patriotism: Freedom of Press, Speech, and Peaceful Assembly.
Nationalism: Propaganda, Censorship, and Harassment.

Patriotism: Government by consent of the governed.
Nationalism: Government by force and decree of those who govern.

Patriotism: Hiring and promotion based solely on ability.
Nationalism: Hiring and promotion based on anything other than ability.

Patriotism: "My country, right or wrong."
Nationalism: "My country; love it or leave it."

Patriotism: Learning from our history and the history of others.
Nationalism: Teaching our version of history to others.

Patriotism: "My country can always do better."
Nationalism: "My country is already the best."

Patriotism: Pride in who you are.
Nationalism: Pride in who you are not.

Patriotism: Special concern for the well-being of the citizenry.
Nationalism: Special concern for the well-being of the leadership.

Patriotism: Upholding the right of others to disagree with authority.
Nationalism: Equating disagreement with treachery, disloyalty, and moral decay.

Patriotism: Willingness to sacrifice oneself to promote the country's good.
Nationalism: Willingness to sacrifice others to promote one's own self-interest.

Our country's problems aren't as much about Left vs. Right as they are about Patriotism vs. Nationalism.
I love the ideals and principles that my country was founded upon. I hate what the current tide of Nationalism is doing to it.



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07 Mar 2019, 6:06 pm

“Nationalism of one kind or another was the cause of most of the genocide of the twentieth century. Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people’s minds and then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the dead.”
Arundthati Roy



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08 Mar 2019, 4:05 am

Arevelion wrote:

I wish I could convince people not to be so nationalistic, but I was never good at convincing anyone of anything. Also, from what I read, it's really hard to convince people to be less nationalistic, even if you are of the more persuasive type.


Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One, but the light bulb has got to want to change... :wink: