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06 Apr 2019, 4:08 pm

The Shadows: "What do you want?"

The Vorlons: "Who are you?"

These questions are philosophical in nature. Which do you feel is more meaningful to you? Which can you answer?

For me I'm not sure which is more meaningful, but I gravitate more towards what do you want? I can't really answer either at this time.


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06 Apr 2019, 4:44 pm

Sooo…

You want us to tell you ...'who you are?', and what it is that you 'want?'?

Or what?

What are you asking?



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06 Apr 2019, 4:51 pm

Just googled "vorlons and shadows". They are both alien species in the Babylon 5 series.

One species has a philosophy based on identity, the other based upon desire.

Hence the two respective questions: who are you? and "What do you want?".

And that all is a reference to Jungian psychology. Very interesting. Not sure where to go with that information though.



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06 Apr 2019, 5:18 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Just googled "vorlons and shadows". They are both alien species in the Babylon 5 series.

One species has a philosophy based on identity, the other based upon desire.

Hence the two respective questions: who are you? and "What do you want?".

And that all is a reference to Jungian psychology. Very interesting. Not sure where to go with that information though.


Yeah I did a poor job with this initially. Edited the OP so it's hopefully more clear.


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09 Apr 2019, 4:10 pm

"Who are you?" is too unclear to me. In what capacity? Who I am and which parts of who I am matters is situational dependent to some degree.


"What do you want?" is far more concrete (although also more dependent on context).

You forgot "Who do you serve?" and "Who do you trust?" :mrgreen:
(Yeah, I know they aren't vorlon or shadow questions, they just came to mind reading this. I should also add "Where are you going?" I guess)


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09 Apr 2019, 7:20 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
"Who are you?" is too unclear to me. In what capacity? Who I am and which parts of who I am matters is situational dependent to some degree.


"What do you want?" is far more concrete (although also more dependent on context).

You forgot "Who do you serve?" and "Who do you trust?" :mrgreen:
(Yeah, I know they aren't vorlon or shadow questions, they just came to mind reading this. I should also add "Where are you going?" I guess)


Interesting why do you think of those questions? As to "Who do you serve?"

I was always a fan of the phrase "Non Serviam." I'm an atheist so people should not read too much into that phrase other than I don't like masters.


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10 Apr 2019, 7:22 am

I thought of it because they were part of the intro to Babylon 5's spin-off series Crusade. Although it's more correct to say that Crusade was the spin-off series to the Babylon 5 movie A Call To Arms.

Galen the techno mage was questioning the captain:


Quote:
Galen:
Who are you?

Gideon:
Captain Matthew Gideon.

Galen:
What do you want?

Gideon:
To find a cure for the Drakh plague before it wipes out all life on Earth.

Galen:
Where are you going?

Gideon:
Anywhere I have to.

Galen:
Who do you serve, and who do you trust?

[silence]

Galen:
Who do you serve, and who do you trust?

Gideon:
I don't know.

Galen:
Then I will go with you.


That's where I got them from, I just assumed you too had watched the series and would catch the reference.


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10 Apr 2019, 9:51 am

Nope never saw crusade. Just Babylon 5. I have been appropriately Nerd-Shamed.


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10 Apr 2019, 10:17 am

What is your quest?


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10 Apr 2019, 10:29 am

^ I had to google that. I guess Monty Python is where Crusade got those lines from!


^^ sorry, Antrax.


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