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08 Mar 2019, 1:34 pm

I have always been curious about it so I am just wondering if anyone believes in it.



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08 Mar 2019, 1:36 pm

I wish I believed in it.

Then I’d get another chance in life.



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08 Mar 2019, 1:55 pm

wowiexist wrote:
I have always been curious about it so I am just wondering if anyone believes in it.


I believe it could be possible, but so can most things. It's fun to wonder every now and then, but you will never reach an answer, still fun though.



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08 Mar 2019, 2:01 pm

The matter that makes up a human never really disappears. So is it possible that the same cells could in the future be part of another human? I know it sounds far-fetched but I just wanted to throw the idea out there. Plus scientists say we are all made of star stuff but maybe one day there will be an astronomical event that causes the destruction of the earth and then the same could happen again as when living matter first appeared.



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08 Mar 2019, 2:05 pm

Crimadella wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
I have always been curious about it so I am just wondering if anyone believes in it.


I believe it could be possible, but so can most things. It's fun to wonder every now and then, but you will never reach an answer, still fun though.


I just like to think about these things. I like to think of myself as being open minded. Every time I hear a new idea I think about it and research it.

Just out of curiosity did you always live in Warner Robins? I lived there when I was a kid and I am about the same age as you.



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08 Mar 2019, 2:13 pm

The essence of who you are, your soul is pure energy.
Energy cannot be destroyed.
The physical body is merely a vessel for that energy.
So yes, I believe in reincarnation.

I have an advantage when it comes to this question as experiencing an NDE given a glimpse of what happens when your physical body dies.

Believe or not, it is your choice.


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08 Mar 2019, 2:30 pm

wowiexist wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
I have always been curious about it so I am just wondering if anyone believes in it.


I believe it could be possible, but so can most things. It's fun to wonder every now and then, but you will never reach an answer, still fun though.


I just like to think about these things. I like to think of myself as being open minded. Every time I hear a new idea I think about it and research it.

Just out of curiosity did you always live in Warner Robins? I lived there when I was a kid and I am about the same age as you.


I do the same thing, that's why I say it can be fun. I used to obsessively wonder about existence, the possibility of God, the possibility of no God, How existence came to be. I got in trouble at bible school when I was 4, the teacher was introducing us to the idea of God, she said God created us. I asked her who created God, she said nobody, he just always existed. So I asked how could he just always exist without a beginning, then she told me to shut up.

I just moved here, I grew up in Gordon, about 45 min away, between Macon and Milledgeville.



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08 Mar 2019, 2:30 pm

Donald Morton wrote:
The essence of who you are, your soul is pure energy.
Energy cannot be destroyed.
The physical body is merely a vessel for that energy.
So yes, I believe in reincarnation.

I have an advantage when it comes to this question as experiencing an NDE given a glimpse of what happens when your physical body dies.

Believe or not, it is your choice.


Do you remember things that happened to you in a past life?



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08 Mar 2019, 3:12 pm

wowiexist wrote:
The matter that makes up a human never really disappears.
Only at the atomic level. Every molecule that makes up your body eventually breaks down into individual atoms. Those atoms are then absorbed by the ground, the air, and the water. Eventually, nothing remains of your body.
wowiexist wrote:
So is it possible that the same cells could in the future be part of another human?
No, and for the reasons previously stated … unless that other person is a cannibal, and your body was part of his most recent meal.
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... scientists say we are all made of star-stuff...
which is composted of hydrogen atoms and atoms that were synthesized inside stars.
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... but maybe one day there will be an astronomical event that causes the destruction of the Earth and then the same could happen again as when living matter first appeared.
There will come a time when the Sun expands enough to engulf and incinerate the Earth and everything on it. There will also come a time when even the particles that make up every atom in the universe will decay into its constituent quarks, leaving nothing by a haze of sub-nuclear particles near absolute zero.



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08 Mar 2019, 3:16 pm

The more I go the more I am convinced that There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio - and reincarnation is probably one of them.



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08 Mar 2019, 3:18 pm

Donald Morton wrote:
The essence of who you are, your soul is pure energy.
Please provide evidence for the alleged soul and its alleged composition.
Donald Morton wrote:
Energy cannot be destroyed.
True, but is can be degraded to a form so low that no "work" can be derived from it.
Donald Morton wrote:
The physical body is merely a vessel for that energy.
Evidence, please?
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So yes, I believe in reincarnation.
I believe that you are mistaken.
Donald Morton wrote:
I have an advantage when it comes to this question as experiencing an NDE given a glimpse of what happens when your physical body dies.
My own NDEs were the result of anoxia after heart attacks. No permanent damage was done, but I did experience a few hallucinatory sensations.
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Believe or not, it is your choice.
I choose to believe in "reincarnation" if it ever actually happens to me.



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08 Mar 2019, 4:36 pm

Yes, although it's quite likely not a permanent state of things nor would we want it to be.

I remember when I was reading Lectures on Ancient Philosophy a couple pages in chapter 9 (Cycles of Necessity) really resonated with me:

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With the open eye of his rational perceptions the sage gazes out upon a very different world. First, with mortal eyes gazing upon the illusion are seen all those treasures which in our ignorance we have held dear. But gradually as the eyes of the flesh are closed, the eye of the soul is opened, and like a dream the spectacle of worldliness fades and in its place the permanent universe is revealed. The souls of men are seen passing back and forth through the swinging veils which divide the chamber of mortal existence into two compartments. Carrying the burdens of life, bent with the responsibilities of years, obsesses with the reality of matter, the tired and toilworn wanderer exchanges life for death. But as he passes through the veil he still carries with him the old perplexities of his mortal incarceration. We may see him still bent, still broken, still afraid, creeping through the tiny rent in the veil of his existence to continue on the other side the life he cannot cast aside until he rises above his lesser self. To him death is the promise of fulfillment. So he brings with him his empty money bags that they may be filled; he seeks the waters of Lethe where resting in that state of forgetfulness of all that engenders sorrow he seeks to assuage the aching of his heart, still the spinning wheels of his mind, and realize thwarted desire.

The visible world gradually assumes the appearance of the office where he labored during the years of earth life. Still the ticker sounds in his ear, the telephones ring, and vast projects torment his tired mind with their complexities. A little while and his soul drifts into a great vortex of endeavors, vain struggles, and loosened passions. Like a mighty whirlwind his soul in company with the souls of millions is swept about in hopeless confusion in the after-death chamber. The sighing of the wind is the mourning of deluded souls. Suddenly the curtains begin to sway and through them sweeps the torrent of air back into the world of the living. A little child creeps through a tiny rent and burdened still with the affairs of life crawls into mortal existence. The years pass and the child again becomes a man. Still the ticker sounds, still the struggle for gain goes on, again the back is bent by responsibilities, the life soured by unfulfilled desire until at last, carrying with him the same possessions that bowed his back before, the soul creeps away again to rest. Yet what is rest? Just more longing, more desire, more unrequited love. Thus age after age the Wheel of the Law goes round; age after age man comes and goes , bound to its spokes of agony, and this fools in their folly have termed life.

All this the opened eye of the philosophy lays bare; all this the sage perceives with enlightened vision. He knows the unreality of heaven as well as hell. He realizes that both are but projections in the substances of a more subtle element of the same impulses which have taken a beautiful earth and made of it a breeding ground of greed and a house of discord. Death is not a liberation from ignorance, nor is it a solution to man's problem; neither is it the end of anything. Death is but an exchange of vestments; it is no cure for that sickness of the soul which the wise term ignorance. Back and forth between the chambers of life and death man passes until he wears ruts in the stony floor he treads. Yet he is never free for he escapes one prison but to enter another. With perennial hope he faces each new scene, only to find that he exchanges bad for worse.

Birth and death are illusionary in that they seem to be a change of state when in reality they are but a change of place. Through man were lifted to the heights of Olympus he would not be greater than himself; and though he were hurdled downward to the depths of the inferno, no virtue that is innately his could be taken from him.


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08 Mar 2019, 6:01 pm

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08 Mar 2019, 6:55 pm

The concept of the soul, which I borrow from Jain philosophy, is fairly complex and difficult to explain and justify from just a few paragraphs or even one book alone. Nevertheless, here's a link to a fairly comprehensive article about it.

http://www.herenow4u.net/index.php?id=65933

Thus, in Jain philosophy, if one could understand the concept of the soul, he can similarly grasp the concept of reincarnation which, in essence, is transmorgrification of the soul, if you will.



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08 Mar 2019, 6:58 pm

I really wish I knew what happens

I'm thinking either the atheist non existence or reincarnation