Does anyone here believe in reincarnation?
Sounds like religion to me.
And which truth would that be? The true truth or the truth that the public accepts without question until it gets changed to another truth?
Like homosexuality being a mental illness, giant squids never existing, the Food Pyramid instead of The Food Wheel, etc.
Examples of Belief Before Truth can be found at This Wikipedia Page.
I suggest that you give the list a long, hard read before coming back and telling me that anything you believe is automatically true.
I suggest that you give the list a long, hard read before coming back and telling me that anything you believe is automatically true.
Hmmm, but by definition, belief is a truth. That's why I dislike the word truth, because a truth doesn't have to be a fact or verifiable, the only thing that it requires is to be believed. To me it's just a deceptive word, where people tend to think that a truth actually has to be factual or accurate, the word commonly gets abused. We have talked about this before though, so I will just leave it at that.
Truth - a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
I think I have a solution, wonder if it will catch on and be included in a dictionary...
Futh - An event that did occur but cannot be confirmed.
"You don't know what the futh is because you weren't there"
belief (n):
1) a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2) something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion
3) conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
truth(n):
1) the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
2) the state of being the case : fact
3) the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality
4) sincerity in action, character, and utterance
You can't go 'round making up your own definitions when there are others who know better.
belief (n):
1) a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2) something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion
3) conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
truth(n):
1) the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
2) the state of being the case : fact
3) the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality
4) sincerity in action, character, and utterance
You can't go 'round making up your own definitions when there are others who know better.
Don't get paranoid Fnord, I'm not so low of a person that I would try to make definitions up. I don’t have a dictionary, I use the Google search to define words, like this...
"word definition"
To regain my trust, type "truth definition" into you google search bar and you should get the same result that I did.
So, the futh of the matter is you were not hear to witness me look the definition up, but I have lead you to the way you can look it up as I did and see I was telling the futh.
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I think Pepe said something either in this thread or another thread, ie. that as aspies we tend to go really deep into researching special interests and getting to know the ins and outs of them, that we quite often don't research other areas and count on a surface skim. This topic has always seemed lop-sided to me because it's almost guaranteed that profound and strident skeptics are coming from that place - ie. they rarely ever know the ins and outs of the topic, the best research, the best cases to be made, the closest I've seen to come to that and read much on these things were shlaifu and the second (female - not the Resourced-Based Economy MC) incarnation of Adamantium and even there the digestion of this material is almost always bulldozed with psychological theories. You have the reverse of this, lets say, with the bible because something like the bible unravels the more you read it. With the rest of the examination of the world of psi it seems like the opposite, and when you have a die-hard skeptic actually give it a chance and explore it they might still stake their core in something like eliminative materialism but, I think Susan Blackmore is a great example of this, she's at least convinced of the depth of a mystery that other people are papering over.
That's probably one of the things that's the most astounding to me on these topics - ie. that almost anywhere else, other than politics or 'spirituality', everyone's competing for the best set of facts where here and in politics it seems like people are trying to find the most perfect designer set of blinders. I don't base that suggestion on people disagreeing with me and if it weren't quite a bit more than that, ie. entire style and approach to information, I wouldn't feel confident that I was seeing past my own pet distortions (the assumption goes that if you could see them you wouldn't have them) but there are tells which can inform you - even if someone fully agrees with you in theory - that they agree with you for poorly thought out reasons and you can see just as well when they disagree and it's as if you're trying to speak to a part of them that's hiding a missing limb or a gunshot wound from themselves, something that they can't explore... almost out of a sense sometimes that I think it would unravel them.
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That's probably one of the things that's the most astounding to me on these topics - ie. that almost anywhere else, other than politics or 'spirituality', everyone's competing for the best set of facts where here and in politics it seems like people are trying to find the most perfect designer set of blinders. I don't base that suggestion on people disagreeing with me and if it weren't quite a bit more than that, ie. entire style and approach to information, I wouldn't feel confident that I was seeing past my own pet distortions (the assumption goes that if you could see them you wouldn't have them) but there are tells which can inform you - even if someone fully agrees with you in theory - that they agree with you for poorly thought out reasons and you can see just as well when they disagree and it's as if you're trying to speak to a part of them that's hiding a missing limb or a gunshot wound from themselves, something that they can't explore... almost out of a sense sometimes that I think it would unravel them.
Are you committing to the belief in re-incarnation?...
Or are you simply advancing the principle of openmindedness?...
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Or are you simply advancing the principle of openmindedness?...
I already gave my position much earlier in the thread.
Also I don't even like the idea of it being 'open-mindedness', that sounds way too much like a request to 'be nice' which is just wearing weakness on one's sleeve. Its more like probing the question of why intellectual consistency so reliably fails in this range. Intellectual consistency is something I would think flows in the same direction as self-interest and yet I see it consistently fall down with people when it gets challenging. No one has to do anything different, I'm sure no one will over anything I say, but it seems to illustrate that we're incorrigible, that self-interest can't even properly govern human behavior, and that the things we either pay avid attention to or refuse to pay adequate attention to are governed ultimately by alogical causes that we'd never begin to understand. The only layer of that which makes a certain degree of sense is obeying the dictates of conformity to get things out of society, but there are points after which even that fails to be a fully satisfying explanation.
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