"The Polar Bear Catastrophe That Never Happened"

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27 Mar 2019, 3:47 am

Susan Crockford sets the polar bear myth straight

https://youtu.be/n5Er9oWUg1A


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27 Mar 2019, 6:16 pm

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/clim ... -1.4424956

Heartland institute, doesn't actually do any research on polar bears,

Also: jesus, are these people stupid?
Polar bears are dangerous so let's kill them by heating the planet?


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27 Mar 2019, 7:47 pm

shlaifu wrote:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-denier-blogs-ignore-science-1.4424956

Heartland institute, doesn't actually do any research on polar bears,

Also: jesus, are these people stupid?
Polar bears are dangerous so let's kill them by heating the planet?


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tangent noun [ C ] (DIFFERENT SUBJECT)

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non sequitur noun
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2 : a statement (such as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... 20sequitur


I had a look at your link but couldn't see any suggestion that polar bear numbers have been declining...
If you have a link, could you post it?... :wink:


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29 Mar 2019, 6:49 pm

https://polarbearsinternational.org/research/research-qa/are-polar-bear-populations-increasing-in-fact-booming/

This one seems legit. In short: no one knows, mainly because no one knows population sizes in the past. They have been doing better after people stopped hunting them. Nonetheless, their habitat is shrinking.

Regarding the non sequitur? Which bit? The one where I call Glenn Beck stupid for starting to make polar bears a 'non-concern', either way, because they're awful animals?


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29 Mar 2019, 7:29 pm

shlaifu wrote:
https://polarbearsinternational.org/research/research-qa/are-polar-bear-populations-increasing-in-fact-booming/

This one seems legit. In short: no one knows, mainly because no one knows population sizes in the past. They have been doing better after people stopped hunting them. Nonetheless, their habitat is shrinking.

Regarding the non sequitur? Which bit? The one where I call Glenn Beck stupid for starting to make polar bears a 'non-concern', either way, because they're awful animals?


The link was more like it...
However... :mrgreen:

-I didn't see a date stamp on the article...
-The article was talking about not knowing the numbers in1960s and 1970s...
-In the 60s and 70s, there was no significant retreat of sea ice...
-It is claimed in the video I provided that with the absence of sea ice, seal numbers flourish, hence more food for the bears...
-It is also claimed that polar bears are much better swimmers than originally thought...
-Less sea ice yet polar bear numbers seem to be "healthy" and growing now...

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Researchers agree that polar bears represent a growing threat to Inuit communities, but say that is because climate change has pushed them closer to human settlements – not because the bear population is growing.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ial-report


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“Inuit believe there are now so many bears that public safety has become a major concern,” said one section of the report, according to the Canadian Press. “Public safety concerns, combined with the effects of polar bears on other species, suggest that in many Nunavut communities, the polar bear may have exceeded the coexistence threshold.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ial-report


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Scientists and conservation groups have warned that a warming climate has reduced sea ice and the availability of prey, pushing bears on to the mainland – and closer to humans.
But Inuit argue their own observations are often ignored, and the new report highlights a growing tension between scientific research and Inuit knowledge based on from thousands of years of living in the region. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ial-report


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30 Mar 2019, 1:38 pm

centuries of anecdotal evidence don't replace reliable data. For centuries, we had the knowledge that witches float, like, wood, because they burn, like wood - so if a woman doesn't drown when pushed into the water, she's a witch.

but yeah: I'd rather go with the guardian and the polar bear researcher than with glenn beck and his interview guest. even if a broken clock tells the time right twice a day.


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30 Mar 2019, 7:49 pm

shlaifu wrote:
centuries of anecdotal evidence don't replace reliable data. For centuries, we had the knowledge that witches float, like, wood, because they burn, like wood - so if a woman doesn't drown when pushed into the water, she's a witch.

but yeah: I'd rather go with the guardian and the polar bear researcher than with glenn beck and his interview guest. even if a broken clock tells the time right twice a day.


So you are saying polar bear numbers are in the decline?


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30 Mar 2019, 7:55 pm

The answer is: I honestly don't know, because the polar bear researcher doesn't know.

And I mean the one from the link I posted, the one that actually does polar bear research, in contrast to the one who doesn't yet talks to glenn beck.


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