Socialism + Nationalism = Fascism

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Stanford’s smartest leftists show up to battle D’Souza


Dinesh D'Souza, very interesting guy. Says that it is fact, throughout history not one republican has ever owned a slave and that the democratic party is strongly linked to socialism and Nazi Germany was in fact a socialist, nationalist country (fascism). He claims that it is fact, democratic slave laws in America where used in Germany to start the Nazi party. Very smart guy, he starts his speech at 8min 54sec. He claims he has asked the question and has been two years without any historian being able to prove that even one republican has owned a slave, and they have tried desperately. I'm not a historian, if you wish to deny this claimed fact, actually watch the video. If you claim it's incorrect, cite your source.

and yet, somehow the republicans of the 21st century have become the party of and for the rich racists, while the democrats have become the party of and for the less-racist rich people. How things can change, in 150 or so years.

Did you watch the video? He answers a few questions when people try to make the 'parties switched sides' argument and also claims or proves it to be false.

Evidence of 'some' republican racists is not evidence that the republican party is racist. And to be honest, a lot of racist democrats exist in various forms, like the democratic people racist toward white people or the many democratic whites(and others) people racist towards anyone whom claims to be republican even if they are a race other than white. I'm not claiming all democrats are racist but I will claim that a lot of them are openly racist towards conservatives in general, hiding behind flawed logic, whites are born racist because they have power(change the definition to tweak the word(which the principle is flawed because there are many of people of races other than white that are rich).

All it is, is a manipulation trick, a lot of democrats push for 'socialism and nationalism', the founding principles of the Nazi party which they seem to love to falsely accuse republicans for. The fact of the matter is white supremacists are on both political sides these days, the left would out number them in simply another flavor of white supremacy(we are smarter than you, we will save you). The modern white supremacists which call themselves republican or conservatives are a very small portion of people. The amount of racist people on the left are a much larger portion of people hiding their racism in trickery. (No race can be racist other than whites), the real definition of racism means to hate on any particular race solely for the race they belong to, which a large percentage of the left openly does.

Follow Dinesh D'Souza's work if you still disagree. It's pretty flawed, the idea that the majority of 'conservatives' are racist and fascist, especially when the history points in the opposite direction, it makes the claim pretty ridiculous. I'm sure people will have all kinds of arguments and disagreements, it doesn't make them accurate. He seems to be very knowledgeable, yet again, another very intelligent conservative.

Funny thing about one of your arguments is you overlook the fact that a lot of democrats are also rich.

Once Trump is gone, a Dem or Repub will reverse his nationalistic and socialist policies.

-"Free Trade" deals like CAFTA, TPP will be restored
-Trump's tariffs will be removed
-Foreign Worker programs will be restored
-Immigration restrictions will be ended
-Hopefully, his absurd, socialistic farmer bailout program (caused by his tariffs) will be ended.
-His socialistic plans for price controls on pharmaceutical drugs will be ended.
-His nationalism ("We're getting killed on trade") efforts to lessen our trade deficit will be ended.
-His WALL will be scuttled.

It's just a weird time that a very nationalistic billionaire got elected, and doesn't have to do the bidding of corporate interests, so he can be very socialist.

It must be really difficult going through life too goddamned stupid to differentiate between polar opposites like Socialism and Fascism.

You obviously didn't watch the video, I'm guessing this guy is much more intelligent. You obviously didn't even read the tittle, funny you mention stupidity. And, LOL!! ! the Nazi party was a 'socialist' + 'nationalist' party, socialism is not a polar opposite to fascism, it's a part of fascism.

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I don't know about a lot of the things you are mentioning, this is the first claim I have heard of Trump being identified as a socialist. How about restoring work for people in this country? How is that a bad thing? There has always been restrictions on immigration, which ones are you specifically talking about? So it's incorrect to fix crappy deals with other countries? Our economy will thrive better with China dumping materials into our country that are made off the backs of pretty much slaves, how is that a 'good' thing, how can anyone in a free market compete with slave labor? How can anyone suggest it's ok to buy goods from a country who has slaves?

If we get the wrong Dem, which is very possible, we will be pushed much further into a nationalist and socialist society. What are your thoughts on border security and immigrants? Do you think anyone should be allowed to come or should we screen people and to what degree? Do you think we need better border security or just let anyone whom desires to freely cross the border(open borders, a country free to rob)

Give me a time stamp of part where he talks about socialism. I have full-time job, and I need to spend my time wisely.

He doesn't really cover too much specifically discussing socialism , he discusses nazi Germany breifly, he says they are what brought about the term facism and that it was a marriage of nationalism and socialism, and they used democratic laws from America about blacks as second class citizens and simply replaced blacks with Jews . He says that bit of history has been suppressed in US history but it can be looked up and confirmed. I have a good bit to to today also, later tonight I will see if I can find any speeches with him specifically discussing socialism.

He also discusses the theoretical 'switch' of parties and disprove it. he says if you look up the dixiecrats you get a list of about 130 people of which only two people actually eventually switched over to the republican party, the rest remained democrats and died as democrats. Then someone brought up something else in the q and a, he claims that as racism drops in the south the republican parties gain strength in the south. He discusses the four horsemen of apocalypse, all were democrats and three were northern democrats to falsify the idea that only the south contained slave owners.

It's from my understanding that the Nazis had socialist in the name of their party as a cynical way of attracting left wing voters. It had nothing to do with policy.

Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

These are hardly polar opposites as they both stand for state/community control of the economy. Fascism could best be described as autocratic nationalist socialism. Socialism has a softer stance and does not have the nationalist/racial attributes of Fascism, but realistically "community as a whole control" of the economy means a lack of individual economic freedom.

The true polar opposite of socialism is not fascism but Anarcho-capitalism.

Anarcho-Capitalism: A political philosophy and school of anarchist thought that advocates the elimination of centralized state dictum in favor of self-ownership, private property and free markets.

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The Nazis spent massive amounts of money on the military, but privatized most other state functions to raise funds for more military spending. Thus the German economy was mostly military based with the state in control, but the rest of the economy was under the control of private companies. It would be inaccurate to label the Nazis as either socialist or capitalist. They were warmongerers who didn't care about anything other than conquest.

You're making Socialist pro-worker arguments.

Capitalism is about freedom, free markets, free trade, no barriers.

Yes, Americans benefit greatly from importing lower cost Chinese goods.

I don't understand this post----is it sarcasm?

@Crimadella: Unfortunately, I can't listen to the video you posted, cuz my speakers blew quite some time, ago----but, I just wanted to say that I've really liked alot of what Dinesh D'Souza says ("Death of a Nation" is en route, to me, as we speak); he gives FABULOUS food-for-thought!!

Also, his wife is also an activist, and I've listened to her speak, several times, and think she is great, as well. (She's Hispanic, and I find that very interesting.)

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Once a Democrat or Republican gets elected president, we'll see corporate interests dictate policy, which will take us back to free trade deals, ending business hurting tariffs, pro-immigration, pro-business worker programs. In other words, most of Trump's policies will be undone.