A belief in meritocracy is not only false: it’s bad for you

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18 Mar 2019, 7:34 pm

A belief in meritocracy is not only false: it’s bad for you

Clifton Mark wrote:
Barack Obama wrote:
We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else...

Donald Trump wrote:
We must create a level playing field for American companies and workers.

Meritocracy has become a leading social ideal. Politicians across the ideological spectrum continually return to the theme that the rewards of life – money, power, jobs, university admission – should be distributed according to skill and effort. The most common metaphor is the ‘even playing field’ upon which players can rise to the position that fits their merit. Conceptually and morally, meritocracy is presented as the opposite of systems such as hereditary aristocracy, in which one’s social position is determined by the lottery of birth. Under meritocracy, wealth and advantage are merit’s rightful compensation, not the fortuitous windfall of external events.

Most people don’t just think the world should be run meritocratically, they think it is meritocratic. In the UK, 84 per cent of respondents to the 2009 British Social Attitudes survey stated that hard work is either ‘essential’ or ‘very important’ when it comes to getting ahead, and in 2016 the Brookings Institute found that 69 per cent of Americans believe that people are rewarded for intelligence and skill. Respondents in both countries believe that external factors, such as luck and coming from a wealthy family, are much less important. While these ideas are most pronounced in these two countries, they are popular across the globe.

Although widely held, the belief that merit rather than luck determines success or failure in the world is demonstrably false. This is not least because merit itself is, in large part, the result of luck. Talent and the capacity for determined effort, sometimes called ‘grit’, depend a great deal on one’s genetic endowments and upbringing.



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18 Mar 2019, 7:44 pm

RushKing wrote:
A belief in meritocracy is not only false: it’s bad for you.
No professor in Political Science will ever convince me that rising up on my own merit from a childhood of abuse, neglect and betrayal to an MSEE and a corner office, a six-figure salary, a loving family, and a mortgage-free home is either false or bad for me.

But if Clifton Mark knows first-hand and with absolute certainty that getting admitted to university, being awarded his degree, and then being appointed to full professorship has nothing to do with whatever intrinsic merit he may possess, then we are likely to see his name crop in during the current admissions cheating scandal now making headlines.



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18 Mar 2019, 7:51 pm

I believe in meritocracies.

I don't believe in getting trophies for third place.



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18 Mar 2019, 7:52 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe in meritocracies. I don't believe in getting trophies for third place.
The second-place winner is actually the first-place loser -- winners rely on merit, while losers blame their luck.



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18 Mar 2019, 7:54 pm

I believe second place can be pretty good-----at least one really made an effort, and came up just short.

In golf, second place wins you lots of money. But...you're still not a winner (but you're not a loser, either).

The only "losers," I believe, are people who don't even make the attempt.

Saying this, when I was 12, I won a third-place bowling trophy; all I wanted to do was to throw the damn thing away.



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18 Mar 2019, 7:58 pm

Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic" delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965), former Prime-Minister of England

In my opinion, Clifton Mark could well have been the kind of critic whom Sir Winston referred to.



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18 Mar 2019, 8:01 pm

People have to try-----that's all there is to it.....

That's one of my core beliefs.



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18 Mar 2019, 8:02 pm

No one ever won a race by staying home from it.



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18 Mar 2019, 8:34 pm

Growth mindset tempers the effects of poverty on academic achievement: https://www.pnas.org/content/113/31/8664.short

"Furthermore, we find that students from lower-income families were less likely to hold a growth mindset than their wealthier peers, but those who did hold a growth mindset were appreciably buffered against the deleterious effects of poverty on achievement: students in the lowest 10th percentile of family income who exhibited a growth mindset showed academic performance as high as that of fixed mindset students from the 80th income percentile."

Characteristics of a growth mindset (emphasis mine):

1. Intelligence can be developed.

2. Embrace challenges.

3. See effort as the path to mastery.

4. Learn from criticism.

5. Find lessons and inspiration in the success of others.

It's very difficult to have a growth mindset if you don't believe in a meritocracy. There are things in life you can control, and things you can't control. Focusing on the things you can control will lead to greater success.


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18 Mar 2019, 9:19 pm

I do think it's horrible when we have a system that leads low IQ people to a life of perpetual struggle. We beat people with an ugly stick for what they can't control and then beat them more when they cave in some way as a result. The ideal would be to reinforce the 'have a good work ethic, be responsible, and things will turn out' and then actually make it true. When that persistently fails people, especially for things they have no control over, you get incredibly toxic subcultures and you get third-world pockets in first-world countries.

Yes, reward the exceptional, give them high status and give them the right to be rich - I'm on board with that. OTOH don't tell the people at the other end that they'd be better off dead. If we don't get our heads around the shrinking of the workplace and permanent replacement of workers we'll be cultivating several generations of sociopaths. If we go that way we'll get the future we deserve.


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18 Mar 2019, 9:30 pm

OK, there's "casual luck" and "genetic luck".

I don't see how acknowledging either will benefit us.

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18 Mar 2019, 9:35 pm

Antrax wrote:
It's very difficult to have a growth mindset if you don't believe in a meritocracy.


Well I must be a unicorn.

I appear to have a growth mindset and I don't believe in meritocracy.

Certain actions increase my likelihood for success in personal endeavors, and my actions are ultimately being pushed by the cosmos.

Meritocracy is impossible. Merit is subjective. We cannot have an objective system distributing income around a concept like merit. There is no objective way to measure every individuals value in the production of goods and services.



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18 Mar 2019, 11:00 pm

RushKing wrote:
Well I must be a unicorn.

I appear to have a growth mindset and I don't believe in meritocracy.


I think it depends what you mean by meritocracy. If you mean strict merit determines outcomes that won't happen and I don't believe in a meritocracy either. I do believe people can greatly influence their life outcomes through how they choose to apply their efforts.

I think it's difficult to motivate people to apply effort if they believe their success is largely determined by factors outside their control.

RushKing wrote:
Certain actions increase my likelihood for success in personal endeavors, and my actions are ultimately being pushed by the cosmos.

Meritocracy is impossible. Merit is subjective. We cannot have an objective system distributing income around a concept like merit.


There's an amazing system called the free market. You produce something. People decide how meritorious they think it is and offer you something in exchange for it. You judge how meritorious their offer is and if you deem it meritorious enough an exchange takes place.

It may sound chaotic having so many subjective values bouncing around, but there's an entire field devoted to it called economics. They generally believe it works well.


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18 Mar 2019, 11:14 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
OK, there's "casual luck" and "genetic luck".

I don't see how acknowledging either will benefit us.

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Looks pretty meritorious to me. The fastest man gets the gold.


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18 Mar 2019, 11:35 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
People have to try-----that's all there is to it.....

That's one of my core beliefs.


Interesting...
I honestly believe it is a matter of choice and dependent on your circumstance...
Let us agree to disagree... :wink: