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24 Mar 2019, 3:34 pm

I just looked at CNN and there is EIGHT people on the panel, scurrying through the Mueller information, desperately trying to find something. They are in meltdown mode. They've been pushing the Russiagate hoax for three years and there's no going back now. This is the trouble when a 'news' channel becomes the arm and voice of a political party that has lost its mind. The collusion was between Clinton and the DNC to steal the nomination from Sanders. CNN told Clinton twice what a question would be before, during the campaign. It's a million times worse than Fox. It's not just Trump fans that chant "CNN sucks". Bernie fans have done it too. There has to be consequences over this. Never trust the mainstream media again.


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24 Mar 2019, 3:42 pm

I don't understand why it has to be an either-or thing. All news outlets I know of suck. I feel sorry for those on this site (not naming names) who see the alternative as being one of CNN vs Fox, Democrat vs Republican, Labour vs Conservative, etc. The truth is, both sides of all of those dichotomies suck.



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24 Mar 2019, 4:13 pm

They're not in any "meltdown mode". What happens is that the Mueller report found no evidence that Trump conspired with Putin. You could commit a murder with no evidence, and you will not be jailed. But if someone had committed a murder, evidence or not, that person is still a murderer. A thief is also a thief, despite evidence or lack thereof.

Does it mean they should be punished legally? Of course not, if no evidence is present, nobody should be jailed or recieve any other sentence. That's how a civilized society works.

But fact of the matter is that Trump has met with Putin with no recordings, an zero notes/documentation. But we do know they've had talks. We don't know what they talked about.

We also know that Putin very much likes Trump and vice versa.

We also know that Trump questions NATO alliance - and that makes Putin happy.

We also know that Russia interfered in the election 2016, despite lack of evidence Trump ordered it.
But there is evidence that Russia interfered in the election.

What also happens is that you are so much a Trump supporter, that even if there was any evidence of Trump and Putin conspiring, you either won't accept the fact OR you'll probably say "That's OK, what's wrong with Putin?"

That's what every other Trump-supporter is saying.



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24 Mar 2019, 4:58 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
I don't understand why it has to be an either-or thing. All news outlets I know of suck. I feel sorry for those on this site (not naming names) who see the alternative as being one of CNN vs Fox, Democrat vs Republican, Labour vs Conservative, etc. The truth is, both sides of all of those dichotomies suck.


There's certain hosts or guests that are on channels. Some of got fired from CNN or MSNBC when they've told the truth though.


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24 Mar 2019, 5:03 pm

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They're not in any "meltdown mode". What happens is that the Mueller report found no evidence that Trump conspired with Putin. You could commit a murder with no evidence, and you will not be jailed. But if someone had committed a murder, evidence or not, that person is still a murderer. A thief is also a thief, despite evidence or lack thereof.

Does it mean they should be punished legally? Of course not, if no evidence is present, nobody should be jailed or recieve any other sentence. That's how a civilized society works.

But fact of the matter is that Trump has met with Putin with no recordings, an zero notes/documentation. But we do know they've had talks. We don't know what they talked about.

We also know that Putin very much likes Trump and vice versa.

We also know that Trump questions NATO alliance - and that makes Putin happy.

We also know that Russia interfered in the election 2016, despite lack of evidence Trump ordered it.
But there is evidence that Russia interfered in the election.

What also happens is that you are so much a Trump supporter, that even if there was any evidence of Trump and Putin conspiring, you either won't accept the fact OR you'll probably say "That's OK, what's wrong with Putin?"

That's what every other Trump-supporter is saying.


They've been screaming about collusion and pushing the hoax 24 hours a day for 3 years so they are now falling apart.

There was no crime, the whole thing was a sham.

Talking with another leader is fine. If the establishment hadn't been pushing the hysterical hoax he wouldn't have needed to do such a thing.

Sorry but $4700 on Google ads that weren't hardly about the election and some being anti Trump is not interfering in anything. So no.

Shows what you know. I've made a thread on this site pledging my support for Tulsi Gabbard.


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24 Mar 2019, 6:13 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
I just looked at CNN and there is EIGHT people on the panel, scurrying through the Mueller information, desperately trying to find something. They are in meltdown mode. They've been pushing the Russiagate hoax for three years and there's no going back now. This is the trouble when a 'news' channel becomes the arm and voice of a political party that has lost its mind. The collusion was between Clinton and the DNC to steal the nomination from Sanders. CNN told Clinton twice what a question would be before, during the campaign. It's a million times worse than Fox. It's not just Trump fans that chant "CNN sucks". Bernie fans have done it too. There has to be consequences over this. Never trust the mainstream media again.


Ouch for the Democrats...
I heard recently that some Democrats have given up on the Russiagate strategy and are now focusing on the needs of their own constituencies...



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24 Mar 2019, 6:45 pm

This fellow looks to be on the right track.

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24 Mar 2019, 7:10 pm

Darmok wrote:
This fellow looks to be on the right track.

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Them there are fightin' woids!...
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24 Mar 2019, 7:32 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
I don't understand why it has to be an either-or thing. All news outlets I know of suck. I feel sorry for those on this site (not naming names) who see the alternative as being one of CNN vs Fox, Democrat vs Republican, Labour vs Conservative, etc. The truth is, both sides of all of those dichotomies suck.


I've been trying to tell people that, some people uderstand, the majority doesn’t. I know I say this a lot but Tim Pool seems pretty legit, as in he doesn't intentionally lie and distort information. He is pretty much the only source I really trust. What you mostly have to watch out for is the extreme bias, the statistical manipulation tactics, taking things out of context and citing documents that you cannot check to verify yourself. Which, that is a lot to watch out for which makes the majority of news reports unreliable. I mean, if you have to attempt to research all the news that people feed you to verify it's legit, what's the point?



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24 Mar 2019, 7:41 pm

I know the media landscape in the US is heavily politiziced but what are you going to do? Watch lunatics on infowars and read breitbart? Or read academics who have been opposed to the media for decades, like noam chomsky?
I'm all for abandoning mainstream media, but only if you replace them with books by scholars.
If you're going to go for breitbart ... Well, the mainstream media is still relatively reliable -or rather...less conspiracy-ey- compared to that...


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24 Mar 2019, 7:51 pm

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I know the media landscape in the US is heavily politiziced but what are you going to do? Watch lunatics on infowars and read breitbart? Or read academics who have been opposed to the media for decades, like noam chomsky?
I'm all for abandoning mainstream media, but only if you replace them with books by scholars.
If you're going to go for breitbart ... Well, the mainstream media is still relatively reliable -or rather...less conspiracy-ey- compared to that...


That's the thing though, what do you do when mainstream media is about as reliable as info wars? MSNBC actually insisted that cold weather in north US was a Russian Attack!! That's not much further off than insisting 5th dimensional aliens are raping children.



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24 Mar 2019, 7:53 pm

Professional frauds and enemies of the American people. That's what they are.

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24 Mar 2019, 7:55 pm

Crimadella wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
I know the media landscape in the US is heavily politiziced but what are you going to do? Watch lunatics on infowars and read breitbart? Or read academics who have been opposed to the media for decades, like noam chomsky?
I'm all for abandoning mainstream media, but only if you replace them with books by scholars.
If you're going to go for breitbart ... Well, the mainstream media is still relatively reliable -or rather...less conspiracy-ey- compared to that...


That's the thing though, what do you do when mainstream media is about as reliable as info wars? MSNBC actually insisted that cold weather in north US was a Russian Attack!! That's not much further off than insisting 5th dimensional aliens are raping children.


Sorry that was my fault. I don't like the north. :twisted:

You should have seen the pretty flowers here in the south this winter. :flower:



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24 Mar 2019, 8:03 pm

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I mean, if you have to attempt to research all the news that people feed you to verify it's legit, what's the point?


You keep a sack of salt nearby instead of the research... :wink:

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24 Mar 2019, 8:09 pm

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That's not much further off than insisting 5th dimensional aliens are raping children.


You mean 8th dimension?...
Oops...
No, you are right...
"Hehehehehe...
Everyone knows there are only 5 dimensions..."


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24 Mar 2019, 8:28 pm

They knew the alien spaceship was coming. They knew. It was promised. Jesus was coming to take them up into the sky. Someone must have betrayed them! Find him! Kill him!

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