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I'm curious to see what people think about this.

I like the smoking laws of having to smoke outside. I don't have to breathe your smoke, you don't have to stop smoking. Smoke breaks are a thing in the work place.

I would however as strongly as possible advise against it. It will cut deeply into your wallet, your health and your lifespan and control you. Even if smoking would take me to nirvana, it wouldn't be worth paying the price of admission.

Also, you won't stop it by outlawing it. There's too much money involved. Cartels will just fill the gap in the market, and their products will be far worse for you.

The only thing I want to say about the last paragraph is I don't know what would happen if it was outlawed.
I'd be curious to try.
To me, things that are addicting are sad.
Also, I like the smell of outdoors.

I'm guessing you're using the pronoun "you" as in general.

Yes, you in general. Smokers.

Smoking in my opinion is different from all other drug use in that it forces others to partake in the drug when they walk by in the form of secondhand smoke. I'm probably the only person on the planet who thinks legalizing heroin and banning smoking are both reasonable efforts, although I'm not fully behind either.

I suffered for decades with smoking in the workplace...
I enjoy my schadenfreude now that smokers are essentially pariahs...
Selfishness...

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I've always been disgusted by the authoritarian attitude shown by anti-smoking fanatics, especially given that most of them are in favour of legalisation of cannabis. Apparently, smoking is fine, but only if it harms the brain of the smoker.

I don't care if people smoke...
Just don't do it anywhere near me because I am allergic to it...

By all means, smoke in your family home with your kid's health being affected...
Ignore the fact that passive smoking is carcinogenic...
And use the world as your personal ashtray...
Throw the butts out the car window and start bush fires...
That is your entitlement...
But once again, just don't do it around me...

I don't seem to go anywhere where I get a faceful of second-hand smoke anymore.

I think it's a vile habit, but if anyone else wants to partake I don't mind.

If I was going to be shot at dawn tomorrow, I think I might even take up smoking tonight, just so I could have a last cigarette before they put the blindfold on.

Smokers Suck Butts.

Well? What do YOU call the filter end of a cigarette?

I'm somewhat ambivalent about tobacco smoking bans indoors. It's probably a good thing in the long run. Though it irks me that the argument was won by panicky, shrill, militant not-around-me anti-smokers overblowing the dangers of second hand smoke with the now-familiar tool of "activist science". We now know, just as non-smoking related lung conditions are on the increase, that just walking around a city with heavy traffic does far more damage to your lungs than someone lighting up next to you. If only the same militants could get cars restricted in similar ways...

This!
Also, if smoking was banned overnight, you'd be surprised how many people would have to face the fact they used tobacco to mask their depression.
Tonacco contains MAO inhibitors, an old-school anti-depressant.
So, my guess is, the immediate reaction would be a near breakdown of society, followed by a wave of prescriptions for anti-depressants.
Hell, maybe the current rise of depression is linked to the drop in smokers - people visiting psychiatrists rather than picking up smoking.
Came across a statement by a child psychiatrist who said twenty years ago, kids got drunk or took other drugs when they were going through tough times - today, they harm themselves or try to commit suicide, and the numbers have skyrocketed, while the numbers for teenage drug use are going down.

So... If you want to ban something, ask yourself: is that thing merely a bad habit/addiction or is it a patch for some bigger problem, and what beast are you unleashing by banning the thing that's covering it...?

The OP was, I think, asking whether we think smoking should be completely banned, not just in enclosed spaces. For the record, I vehemently oppose a ban on both scores, though of course, individual restaurants and establishments should be able to ban smoking at their own discretion, and always were, which is something the fascists overlook.

Like many, I'm okay with current laws that tell people who consume tobacco products at a distance because IMO, if no such laws were ever created, then how would non-smokers fare against smokers now?

To answer that question, yes, I meant completely.

Also, I thought from what I read here.
It may show how we need to learn how to help each other more realistically other than just covering the bad things up a lot. There are some points where a system can be good, but can't people just be honest, kind, true, helpful?
I would think that may help some people out of depression. But, some people just give up, sadly.