RushKing
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12 May 2019, 7:52 am
12 May 2019, 7:59 am
Pepe wrote:
RushKing wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Hmmm.
I don't know much about Antifa, hence my starting this thread.
I have only known it in a bad light.
So the violent protestors I have seen in the media are the extreme elements of the "non-movement".
RE the video:
Sorry m8, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
And encouraging violence for good (in this context) is an oxymoron and only is utilised by morons, imnsho.
It just makes you as bad as the baddies.
But this is coming from a pacifist.
I don't know much about Antifa, hence my starting this thread.
I have only known it in a bad light.
So the violent protestors I have seen in the media are the extreme elements of the "non-movement".
RE the video:
Sorry m8, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
And encouraging violence for good (in this context) is an oxymoron and only is utilised by morons, imnsho.
It just makes you as bad as the baddies.
But this is coming from a pacifist.
All politics is violence at the end of the day. Do you think all politics is equal?
Show me how you think: "All politics is violence at the end of the day"?
Erm.
Please.
"Do you think all politics is equal?"
Strange question.
What context are you using?
Some political movements cater to more emotional people.
Some to the more rational amongst us.
I have said this many times.
Am I near the ballpark?
All politics is violence because the government is violence.
In a democracy the government is meant to be the legitimate form of violence. If someone kills someone the government uses violence to capture them and then hold them against their will.
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13 May 2019, 3:41 am
13 May 2019, 3:58 am
RushKing wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I can't see: "All politics is violence at the end of the day"
I live in Australia, remember.
So are you going to explain yourself now?
Do you agree (with your own statement?).
I live in Australia, remember.
So are you going to explain yourself now?
Do you agree (with your own statement?).
Yes, politics determines the distribution of power and removal of choice.
For example; when a government enacts and enforces a law, it's deciding who will be targets of police violence.
I misunderstood you earlier.
I can see where you are coming from now.
But your way of thinking is rather foreign to me.
"Less conventional".
Quote:
Violence: Violence is "the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy."[2] Less conventional definitions are also used, such as the World Health Organization's definition of violence as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
Edit:
You may have been a little mischievous to the following extent:
The thread I initiated was talking about Antifa which is perceived as a violent activist group.
This established the initial context/definition of the term "violence".
You then introduced a couple of questions I found odd.
In hindsight, I could speculate that the intention may even have been an attempt at mischievousness.
But to be sure, that is a "long bow to draw", so it will maintain the status of an inconclusive/unverifiable intellectual construct.
End of story.
Move along, people.
Nothing to see here.
13 May 2019, 2:22 pm
13 May 2019, 2:50 pm
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13 May 2019, 2:59 pm
Pepe wrote:
Darmok wrote:
Antifa, a.k.a. violent Communist guerillas.
Aren't they: Left-wing fascists?
Hence the "irony" definition supplied.
They can be violent thugs without being fascists. There's no irony in pointing out that radicals who are worried about being assaulted by their opponents tend to prepare themselves for the potential need to engage in violence. Perhaps if the far-right weren't so violent their opponents wouldn't find themselves needing to be prepared to deal with violence.
13 May 2019, 3:04 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Darmok wrote:
Antifa, a.k.a. violent Communist guerillas.
Aren't they: Left-wing fascists?
Hence the "irony" definition supplied.
They can be violent thugs without being fascists. There's no irony in pointing out that radicals who are worried about being assaulted by their opponents tend to prepare themselves for the potential need to engage in violence. Perhaps if the far-right weren't so violent their opponents wouldn't find themselves needing to be prepared to deal with violence.
This.
In America fascists are killing people on the street. I support the right to life, so I support self-defence against fascism.
Having said that I think the use of overt violence has to be proportionate to the immediate threat. And generally I'd say the anti-fascist movement in contemporary America has done a good job of that. I'm aware of many people who have been killed by fascists, but none who have been beaten to death by anti-fascists.
13 May 2019, 7:50 pm
13 May 2019, 8:05 pm
13 May 2019, 8:34 pm
13 May 2019, 8:37 pm
14 May 2019, 12:13 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
It's wrong to call something "American." There's no such thing as an "American."
The vast majority of Americans don't deserve the "k."
The vast majority of Americans don't deserve the "k."
I like you.
It is not my intention to annoy you.
But you are going to have to live with the German word.
In no way an attack against you:
Why is it so important?
Why can't you move on?
This has nothing to do with you.
It isn't personal.
I have been using this literally for decades.
It is part of hoo I am.
Why do you want to control me?
<tearing up>
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