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02 May 2019, 9:57 pm

what do u thiink the relationship will be



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03 May 2019, 1:05 pm

I think automatons should not be given voting rights.


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03 May 2019, 1:09 pm

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automaton and democracy what do u thiink the relationship will be
I think automatons should not be given voting rights.
Nor should automatons be allowed to run for or hold an elected office.

Getting appointed or hired into the bureaucracy might be okay, though.


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03 May 2019, 1:25 pm

Politicians are already basically automatons for the corpocracy.


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03 May 2019, 1:30 pm

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Politicians are already basically automatons for the corpocracy.
More like wind-up toys; but yeah ...


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03 May 2019, 5:52 pm

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Politicians are already basically automatons for the corpocracy.
More like wind-up toys; but yeah ...

Yeah, what's your argument against automatons in office? - I mean, politicians right now impose policies that come from expert advisors who run things through mathematical models... So... Basically, without being sarcastic, it's algorithms already anyway...


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04 May 2019, 12:18 pm

shlaifu wrote:
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Politicians are already basically automatons for the corpocracy.
More like wind-up toys; but yeah ...
Yeah, what's your argument against automatons in office?...
Quite the opposite. Most bureaucrats can be replaced with a button that, when pressed, plays a recording of a mechanical voice saying "Wrong window. Next, please!"


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04 May 2019, 1:18 pm

What about androids?

I think Data would make a good president.


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04 May 2019, 3:16 pm

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What about androids?

I think Data would make a good president.


Before or after the emo-chip?
Before, and he'd be confused about humans their emotions all the time.
After, and he'd be confused about himself and his emotions all the time.


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04 May 2019, 3:41 pm

Were they be given the right to vote, could not Putin alter their programming to throw an election?


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04 May 2019, 6:10 pm

shlaifu wrote:
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What about androids?

I think Data would make a good president.


Before or after the emo-chip?
Before, and he'd be confused about humans their emotions all the time.
After, and he'd be confused about himself and his emotions all the time.


Before.

Approaching political issues from a logical stance rather than an emotional one would be empowering.


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04 May 2019, 8:00 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
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What about androids?

I think Data would make a good president.


Before or after the emo-chip?
Before, and he'd be confused about humans their emotions all the time.
After, and he'd be confused about himself and his emotions all the time.


Before.

Approaching political issues from a logical stance rather than an emotional one would be empowering.


But he'd likely be an awful diplomat.
And also: there's no particular logic behind humanism. We just believe we are important, because we're humans.
Logic would say, if there's algorithms that can simulate and replace human ingenuity, there's no need to feed all those ugly meatbags, largely filled with water.
The resources could be put to much better use.
So... Logic is great to find a way towards a goal. But I wouldn't totally trust logic to set the goal posts.
I know Data wouldn't starve all humans. But who tells Data what to aim for? Jean-luc? Will ryker? The koch brothers?


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04 May 2019, 8:26 pm

shlaifu wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
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What about androids?

I think Data would make a good president.


Before or after the emo-chip?
Before, and he'd be confused about humans their emotions all the time.
After, and he'd be confused about himself and his emotions all the time.


Before.

Approaching political issues from a logical stance rather than an emotional one would be empowering.


But he'd likely be an awful diplomat.
And also: there's no particular logic behind humanism. We just believe we are important, because we're humans.
Logic would say, if there's algorithms that can simulate and replace human ingenuity, there's no need to feed all those ugly meatbags, largely filled with water.
The resources could be put to much better use.
So... Logic is great to find a way towards a goal. But I wouldn't totally trust logic to set the goal posts.
I know Data wouldn't starve all humans. But who tells Data what to aim for? Jean-luc? Will ryker? The koch brothers?


Technically, Soong programmed him with a set of ethics, so I suppose his values would be those of Soong.

I don’t think a president or any politician could be perfectly moral. Most decisions come at some sort of cost.


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14 May 2019, 11:27 am

i meant something else ..



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14 May 2019, 3:57 pm

ollychan wrote:
i meant something else ..
Well golly, Olly! Don't keep us waiting! Tell us what you meant!

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15 May 2019, 6:22 pm

Olly wants Roomba vacuum cleaners to get the vote!