Immigrants in the classroom bring better results for all

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27 Jun 2019, 10:13 am

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A new study analyzed a claim that seems to be quite popular with the nationalists: the idea that immigrant students drain resources from local students, reducing their performance.

Not only was this found to not be true, but the opposite actually stands: immigrants in the classroom seem to improve performance all across the board.


https://www.zmescience.com/science/news ... -22062019/



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27 Jun 2019, 12:19 pm

Magical immigrants.

Put them in your classroom and ... "abracadabra alakazam" ... poof .... performances go up for everyone. :)

Maybe "performances" go up, because standards go down.

"New York's plan to lower standards for the sake of diversity hurts students more than it helps them. Schools should raise the bar instead of lower it"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 673198002/

"Last year, one Philadelphia School District simply started passing kids who scored 60-69, that’s a D, and stopped permitting any scores at all under 50"
https://www.inquirer.com/philly/educati ... 70908.html


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27 Jun 2019, 12:48 pm

It seems we've become so obsessed about getting perfect results that 60-69 has ludicrously been set as a D.
I see this also in threads about IQ where people get upset because they didn't get a perfect score.



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27 Jun 2019, 12:51 pm

The only numbers in the article:

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In countries with lower immigration rate (<15%), immigrants perform about 15 to 20 points below native-born students. Where immigration lies between 15% and 25%, native-born students and immigrants are within 10 points of each other, and where 25% or more are foreign-born, all three groups perform within five points of each other. So, in countries with high immigration rate, the locals and immigrants perform more similarily.
I can see a bunch of obvious reasons for this - like the system more accustomed to immigrants in areas where they are large part of the society. Or even more migration between closely related cultures than through considerable barriers.

Additionally, based on the list of countries in the article, the grouping is weird:
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Out of 41 countries, 29 had less than 15% immigration and only 6 were over 25% - why put the majority of the subjects into one category? Why not put thresholds where they would divide the set more evenly? Why not make more categories?

I don't say the study results are wrong but the study itself is very, very flawed, which raises suspicions of manipulating the data to fit predefined results.


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27 Jun 2019, 1:06 pm

^ Would you have thought it was very flawed and manipulating the data if it had come to a different conclusion?



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27 Jun 2019, 1:20 pm

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^ Would you have thought it was very flawed and manipulating the data if it had come to a different conclusion?

Yes. I'm rather indifferent to the political aspect of it. I just like data.


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