How Demonizing "Whiteness" Spreads White Nationalism

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06 Jun 2019, 9:17 am

This one's short and sweet - 6 minutes of Bret Weinstein, and he nails a very big oversight in the current culture war.


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06 Jun 2019, 9:45 am

I get how he’s saying that intersectionality could foster a reactionary movement, but I wish the video was longer, so I could hear more of what his take on the solution to this might be.

I think he’s, perhaps, pushing into the realms of sensationalism when he says that there could be a “genocidal mess,” but I’m trying to overlook that and digest what he’s saying overall.

There’s no denying that there is socioeconomic and educational unevenness based on things like race, gender, sexual orientation, etc and a combination of all of these things. Without stepping back and considering the underlying cause for the disparity, it would be pretty difficult to work towards a solution.

For instance, I worked for two businesses where someone in management said that they wouldn’t hire a black person.



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06 Jun 2019, 9:52 am

I feel like the forces of progressive change will win out. They have been winning out for decades.

Gay marriage is a prime example. The legalization of marijuana is another.

One should remember that the Supreme Court is very much a centralizing influence---and they rely strongly on precedent---so I don't believe Roe Vs. Wade will be overturned. Even Chief Judge Roberts, who is purportedly quite the conservative, has had many moderate "swing" votes recently.

I don't feel there will be a "genocidal mess" based upon the ideological battle between those who seek to revert to traditional values; and those who seek progressive change.



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06 Jun 2019, 10:06 am

Perhaps I should ask a question to the white men in the forum:

Are any of you planning on gathering in a mob with pitchforks in hand? :P

I don’t think intersectionality necessarily always means that white men have it good because there’s various abuses that they may have suffered as well.

In a sociology class that discussed issues related to intersectionality, we talked about how various factors like race, sexuality, and gender can hold one back, but we also talked about other things that can hold one back, too, like child abuse, growing up around drug or alcohol abuse, having a mental illness, etc. People with a combination of these factors often have the most trouble achieving success.

I guess it just depends on where your focus lies. Various organizations and groups try to level out the playing field by focusing on their own particular niche.



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06 Jun 2019, 10:28 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
Perhaps I should ask a question to the white men in the forum: Are any of you planning on gathering in a mob with pitchforks in hand?
No, me and my "mob" will gather with a beer in one hand and a plate of barbecued ribs in the other...
Twilightprincess wrote:
I don’t think intersectionality necessarily always means that white men have it good because there’s various abuses that they may have suffered as well.
Oh, no! To even suggest that white men have ever had it as bad as non-whites and women is to invite a barrage of racism accusations against you! It's because "everyone knows" that all it takes to rise above everyone else is to be a straight white male in a mixed-race, mixed-gender society.
Twilightprincess wrote:
In a sociology class that discussed issues related to intersectionality, we talked about how various factors like race, sexuality, and gender can hold one back, but we also talked about other things that can hold one back, too, like child abuse, growing up around drug or alcohol abuse, having a mental illness, etc. People with a combination of these factors often have the most trouble achieving success.
Oh, but according to many self-appointed "experts", being a white male bestows a dumpload of privileges that negates any previous abuse and oppression against that white male!
Twilightprincess wrote:
I guess it just depends on where your focus lies. Various organizations and groups try to level out the playing field by focusing on their own particular niche.
Yes, it's the old "Nobody has it worse than I" mantra.



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06 Jun 2019, 10:32 am

Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Perhaps I should ask a question to the white men in the forum: Are any of you planning on gathering in a mob with pitchforks in hand?
No, me and my "mob" will gather with a beer in one hand and a plate of barbecued ribs in the other...
Twilightprincess wrote:
I don’t think intersectionality necessarily always means that white men have it good because there’s various abuses that they may have suffered as well.
Oh, no! To even suggest that white men have ever had it as bad as non-whites and women is to invite a barrage of racism accusations against you! It's because "everyone knows" that all it takes to rise above everyone else is to be a straight white male in a mixed-race, mixed-gender society.
Twilightprincess wrote:
In a sociology class that discussed issues related to intersectionality, we talked about how various factors like race, sexuality, and gender can hold one back, but we also talked about other things that can hold one back, too, like child abuse, growing up around drug or alcohol abuse, having a mental illness, etc. People with a combination of these factors often have the most trouble achieving success.
Oh, but according to many self-appointed "experts", being a white male bestows a dumpload of privileges that negates any previous abuse and oppression against that white male!
Twilightprincess wrote:
I guess it just depends on where your focus lies. Various organizations and groups try to level out the playing field by focusing on their own particular niche.
Yes, it's the old "Nobody has it worse than I" mantra.


Bring a beer for me! Oh wait, only boys are invited this time...

I think about intersectionality in broader terms, I suppose...



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06 Jun 2019, 11:48 am

They only use it as an excuse.

They'll go after ANYONE with money.


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06 Jun 2019, 12:10 pm

My calls-em-as-I-sees-em opinion is this:

The far left hates white heterosexual male christians and the far right hates everybody else. :shrug:


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06 Jun 2019, 12:20 pm

I don't think the "far Left" "hates" heterosexual white Christians.

They just believe they have a special "privilege"--which they think is unfair.

They don't take into account that many heterosexual white Christians aren't doing so hot, either.....

Even if the "far Left" has a distorted view of reality, that's still no excuse to become an "far Rightist."



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06 Jun 2019, 12:37 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't think the "far Left" "hates" heterosexual white Christians.

They just believe they have a special "privilege"--which they think is unfair.

They don't take into account that many heterosexual white Christians aren't doing so hot, either.....

Even if the "far Left" has a distorted view of reality, that's still no excuse to become an "far Rightist."


I wouldn't be too sure about that with people like Malcom X and Gloria Allred who claimed that all white people and men are "evil" and basically tell society to commit genocide on them or lock them up in cages like animals.

Speaking of animals, you also have nuts like actress Pamela Anderson who claim that we should conduct experiments on human prisoners and force everyone to become vegans by law in the name of protecting animal rights.

I don't trust extremists on either side, and the wedge between the left and right in our society is growing more and more. :|


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06 Jun 2019, 1:27 pm

Malcolm X really wasn't what you would call a "far Leftist."

He was a Black Nationalist/Black Muslim, which many happen to believe is a "rightist" ideology. Nationalism without any qualifier is a "rightist" ideology.

During the last year or so of his life, he became a conventional Muslim, and disavowed his racist views.



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06 Jun 2019, 1:34 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Malcolm X really wasn't what you would call a "far Leftist."

He was a Black Nationalist/Black Muslim, which many happen to believe is a "rightist" ideology. Nationalism without any qualifier is a "rightist" ideology.

During the last year or so of his life, he became a conventional Muslim, and disavowed his racist views.


Interesting. :)


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06 Jun 2019, 1:59 pm

Call me simple minded if you will, but I don't see how it's possible to make blanket statements that white = privileged, heterosexual= privileged and male = privileged .



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06 Jun 2019, 2:24 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't think the "far Left" "hates" heterosexual white Christians.

They just believe they have a special "privilege"--which they think is unfair.

They don't take into account that many heterosexual white Christians aren't doing so hot, either.....

Even if the "far Left" has a distorted view of reality, that's still no excuse to become an "far Rightist."


I think you're thinking of the left and not the far left. The far left are the left's equivalent of neo-nazis and they typically hate:

any mainstream authority
anyone with money
any christians that attend an organized church or quote the bible
anyone who voices support of capitalism

The left are your typical coastal city dwellars, and do not usually hate all of the above.


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06 Jun 2019, 5:11 pm

I agree with your take on it, Antrax.

I associate the "far Left" with Communism, actually.

I was referring to what is viewed as "far Left" these days.



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06 Jun 2019, 5:18 pm

Maybe Communism isn't all that bad when it's done the right way?

I mean, people are now starting to realize that Capitalism sucks too. Capitalists are greedy and overindulgent and they consume everything in site leaving the more vulnerable countries to starve to death.


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