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Your 2020 Candidate?
Donald Trump 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
Bill Weld 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Joe Biden 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Bernie Sanders 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
Elizabeth Warren 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Pete Buttegieg 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Kamala Harris 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Cory Booker 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Beto O'Rourke 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Kirsten Gillibrand 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
John Hickenlooper 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Amy Klobuchar 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jay Inslee 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
John Delaney 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Andrew Yang 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Eric Swalwell 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Tulsi Gabbard 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Libertarian Candidate 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Green Candidate 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Independent Candidate 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 20

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20 Jun 2019, 3:54 am

Who are you endorsing in the 2020 Presidential Election?


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21 Jun 2019, 11:50 am

I chose Bill Weld. But how can a pro-abortion, pro-LGBT Republican get the nomination, given the GOP’s association with the Evangelical Right?

He appears to be pragmatic with the economy and foreign policy, which we need more than ever now.


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21 Jun 2019, 12:18 pm

Tulsi


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21 Jun 2019, 1:55 pm

Tulsi Gabbard, unless Ron Paul is running.



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21 Jun 2019, 2:33 pm

I used to like Tulsi, but then I saw that she wants to raise minnum wage, that always backfires and hurts employees. What happens is employers cut peoples hours back, allowing no overtime. What good is it to male more an hour if it means you will make less per week? What good is wages going up slightly while food prices dramatically rise? That ruined it for me with Tulsi, does she actually research what happens when minimum wages go up??

It's already been done so many times it's pathetic, and is has bad results everytime.



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21 Jun 2019, 2:50 pm

Crimadella wrote:
I used to like Tulsi, but then I saw that she wants to raise minnum wage, that always backfires and hurts employees. What happens is employers cut peoples hours back, allowing no overtime. What good is it to male more an hour if it means you will make less per week? What good is wages going up slightly while food prices dramatically rise? That ruined it for me with Tulsi, does she actually research what happens when minimum wages go up??

It's already been done so many times it's pathetic, and is has bad results everytime.


What they need to do is bring the cost of living down, I mean apparently quite a few millenials do make more than the previous generation but everything is so much more expensive its to the point we are poorer than they are with more money than they had. So clearly there is a problem with the way or economy is working that is for sure, and minimum wage raises aren't fixing it.


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21 Jun 2019, 3:30 pm

Bringing down the cost of living runs contrary to the ideology of all mainstream economists, both on the 'Right' and the 'Left', eg Rogoff, Blanchflower, Krugman etc, and everyone at the Fed - all of these people believe in debt and inflation as the main engines of the economy. So it's not very likely to happen.

The only ones who don't are the so called 'Austrian' economists, and you really wouldn't want to be a member of the sort of society they advocate (basically minimal state spending and welfare, everything left to 'the market').


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21 Jun 2019, 3:52 pm

Why have Tulsi Gabbard when you can have Mike Gravel?

He's got the same socialist and anti-war credentials while also being good on social issues and justice reform. I don't particularly like him but I can at least respect him, whereas Gabbard gives politicians a bad name.

There are a lot of actually good candidates on the Democrat side. Booker, Buttegieg and Gillebrand would all make great presidents. Jay Inslee would be good but doesn't excite me in the way those three do. O'Rourke and Harris are a bit left-wing for my taste but I'd be happy supporting them. Biden, yeah, fine. Yang is a bit one note but it's a good note. Hickenlooper is a meme. Swalwell is a literal Who and I think he goes too far on gun control. Bill Weld is too fiscally conservative for my liking, and has no chance of winning the nomination, but he is a respectable man and is clearly a better candidate than Trump or Gabbard. Elizabeth Warren is a leftie but isn't too obnoxious.

Then the candidates I don't really like. John Delaney's campaign seems totally reliant on his first-mover status; he's too authoritarian for my tastes. I would hold my nose while supporting Sanders or Klobachar; Sanders is much too left-wing and Klobachar is an authoritarian. Mike Gravel would be strong domestically, but an utter disaster on foreign policy. There's no foreign dictator too evil for Tulsi Gabbard to support them. I would very reluctantly prefer her to Donald Trump - I imagine if she beat Trump she'd be out in 2024 and a good Republican would take over.

I naively supported a third-party candidate in 2012 and won't be making that mistake again. I might consider voting that way if I lived in a safe state (or a state where they had a genuine chance of beating the greater of two evils), but frankly the quality of third-parties in America tends to be very low. The Green and Libertarian Parties do not offer sensible platforms, the Justice Party is in even worse shape than in 2012, and the Constitution Party is not one I could ever consider supporting. I think all the sensible liberals are basically in the Democratic Party, and I can tolerate having a coalition with socialists and socdems.



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21 Jun 2019, 5:29 pm

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Why have Tulsi Gabbard when you can have Mike Gravel?

He's got the same socialist and anti-war credentials while also being good on social issues and justice reform. I don't particularly like him but I can at least respect him, whereas Gabbard gives politicians a bad name.

There are a lot of actually good candidates on the Democrat side. Booker, Buttegieg and Gillebrand would all make great presidents. Jay Inslee would be good but doesn't excite me in the way those three do. O'Rourke and Harris are a bit left-wing for my taste but I'd be happy supporting them. Biden, yeah, fine. Yang is a bit one note but it's a good note. Hickenlooper is a meme. Swalwell is a literal Who and I think he goes too far on gun control. Bill Weld is too fiscally conservative for my liking, and has no chance of winning the nomination, but he is a respectable man and is clearly a better candidate than Trump or Gabbard. Elizabeth Warren is a leftie but isn't too obnoxious.

Then the candidates I don't really like. John Delaney's campaign seems totally reliant on his first-mover status; he's too authoritarian for my tastes. I would hold my nose while supporting Sanders or Klobachar; Sanders is much too left-wing and Klobachar is an authoritarian. Mike Gravel would be strong domestically, but an utter disaster on foreign policy. There's no foreign dictator too evil for Tulsi Gabbard to support them. I would very reluctantly prefer her to Donald Trump - I imagine if she beat Trump she'd be out in 2024 and a good Republican would take over.

I naively supported a third-party candidate in 2012 and won't be making that mistake again. I might consider voting that way if I lived in a safe state (or a state where they had a genuine chance of beating the greater of two evils), but frankly the quality of third-parties in America tends to be very low. The Green and Libertarian Parties do not offer sensible platforms, the Justice Party is in even worse shape than in 2012, and the Constitution Party is not one I could ever consider supporting. I think all the sensible liberals are basically in the Democratic Party, and I can tolerate having a coalition with socialists and socdems.


She's the only anti war candidate and is against Wahabbism. How the hell does she give politicians a bad name?

Buttigieg literally cheered on Israel shooting children in the face. The last thing the US and the world needs is a war mongering psychopath. Jimmy Dore has destroyed him. It's Trump or Tulsi. Everyone else is horrendous.


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21 Jun 2019, 5:31 pm

Why can't we have Ron Paul back? At 83, he's barely middle-aged for an American politician. And he's been perhaps the only completely sane politician in America over the past fifty years, although I don't agree with everything.



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21 Jun 2019, 5:35 pm

Crimadella wrote:
I used to like Tulsi, but then I saw that she wants to raise minnum wage, that always backfires and hurts employees. What happens is employers cut peoples hours back, allowing no overtime. What good is it to male more an hour if it means you will make less per week? What good is wages going up slightly while food prices dramatically rise? That ruined it for me with Tulsi, does she actually research what happens when minimum wages go up??

It's already been done so many times it's pathetic, and is has bad results everytime.


She needs to learn economics for sure.

But stopping the US supporting Al Qaeda in Syria is most important. Stopping the genocide in Yemen. No US President will stand up to Israel. But now with the US goading Russia and the whole world pretty much we need Tulsi. Psychotic war mongers need to be kicked out of office.


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21 Jun 2019, 5:36 pm

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Why can't we have Ron Paul back? At 83, he's barely middle-aged for an American politician. And he's been perhaps the only completely sane politician in America over the past fifty years, although I don't agree with everything.


Tulsi is the best there is by a mile. The US had two chance to elect Ron Paul but elected horrific Obama. That's why the US kind of deserves Trump.


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21 Jun 2019, 5:38 pm

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Prometheus18 wrote:
Why can't we have Ron Paul back? At 83, he's barely middle-aged for an American politician. And he's been perhaps the only completely sane politician in America over the past fifty years, although I don't agree with everything.


Tulsi is the best there is by a mile. The US had two chance to elect Ron Paul but elected horrific Obama. That's why the US kind of deserves Trump.

Yes, she's a damn good lady. She seems to be popular, too; I was speaking to some American tourists about her on Parliament Square a few weeks ago, and they agreed she was the best candidate.



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21 Jun 2019, 5:40 pm

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Why can't we have Ron Paul back? At 83, he's barely middle-aged for an American politician. And he's been perhaps the only completely sane politician in America over the past fifty years, although I don't agree with everything.


I liked Ron Paul, but he is too old and already got cheated. Just like people are doing with Trump now, people were stealing Ron Paul signs out of people's yards. City officials in Florida were stalking people and threatening to charge them $2000 to have signs in their private yards or Ron Paul bumper stickers on their cars. I watched a number of youtube videos of people claiming that stuff.

Though I did see a video I thought was pretty funny lately. Someone kept stealing this man's Trump sign out of his private yard so he electrified it and aimed a video cam at it. This dude comes up to try to snatched it up and gets electricuted. Not a serious electricution, less than a hit from a tazer, it sure was funny, he ran off unsuccessful with his mission of being a dick, lol!



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21 Jun 2019, 5:43 pm

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Prometheus18 wrote:
Why can't we have Ron Paul back? At 83, he's barely middle-aged for an American politician. And he's been perhaps the only completely sane politician in America over the past fifty years, although I don't agree with everything.


I liked Ron Paul, but he is too old and already got cheated. Just like people are doing with Trump now, people were stealing Ron Paul signs out of people's yards. City officials in Florida were stalking people and threatening to charge them $2000 to have signs in their private yards or Ron Paul bumper stickers on their cars. I watched a number of youtube videos of people claiming that stuff.

Though I did see a video I thought was pretty funny lately. Someone kept stealing this man's Trump sign out of his private yard so he electrified it and aimed a video cam at it. This dude comes up to try to snatched it up and gets electricuted. Not a serious electricution, less than a hit from a tazer, it sure was funny, he ran off unsuccessful with his mission of being a dick, lol!

I actually can't stand Trump at all, but it's terrifying how violent and antidemocratic many (not all!! !!) of his opponents are. They rather remind me of the Brownshirts looming over electoral centres in late 20s/early 30s Germany.



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21 Jun 2019, 5:45 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
I used to like Tulsi, but then I saw that she wants to raise minnum wage, that always backfires and hurts employees. What happens is employers cut peoples hours back, allowing no overtime. What good is it to male more an hour if it means you will make less per week? What good is wages going up slightly while food prices dramatically rise? That ruined it for me with Tulsi, does she actually research what happens when minimum wages go up??

It's already been done so many times it's pathetic, and is has bad results everytime.


She needs to learn economics for sure.

But stopping the US supporting Al Qaeda in Syria is most important. Stopping the genocide in Yemen. No US President will stand up to Israel. But now with the US goading Russia and the whole world pretty much we need Tulsi. Psychotic war mongers need to be kicked out of office.


Tulsi would probably be better than Trump on anti-war, but Trump isn't doing that bad. I just heard him the other day speaking about the Iran situation. He stated that he promised he would keep us out of pointless wars and that's what he is going to try to do. I can tell that the democrat elites have their grip on Social media, I learned that conservatives aren't the only ones getting removed from twitter and youtube, also leftists who oppose war get banned also.