If God exists, I want to have a discussion when I meet him

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25 Jul 2019, 11:24 pm

When I meet God I want to have a talk with him in his office about my questions and why he allowed this and that unfair stuff and why he (or collectively a country or world in case of nuclear war or something like that) can't simply re-incarnate people or things to a previous working state. Traditional Christian heaven doesn't appeal to me, which is ironic since we say God can give us our greatest desires. This stuff is kind of part of the root of my concerns about mankind on this planet.

Honestly, I'd like the chance to live in this world at any period before I was actually born and live in the older eras. Is there even anyone else that relates or am I the only one here?



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25 Jul 2019, 11:48 pm

I'm sure every era has had its pros and cons. If reincarnation is real as many believe, then maybe some or even all of us did see such eras. But memory of such events or lives seems to be mostly limited to childhood under the age of 4 or 5.

There has been a great deal of injustice throughout history. Animals also experience this as well as humans. They must really question humankind's apparent superiority at times. I guess we tend to question things in the same way when we see some of the evil or unjust happenings we can't do much about. Thus we have to turn to being/s who are apparently on a higher plane.


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26 Jul 2019, 12:26 am

i wanna see god's neighborhood.



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26 Jul 2019, 1:17 am

envirozentinel wrote:
Animals also experience this as well as humans. They must really question humankind's apparent superiority at times.


I doubt animals consider us except to avoid us whenever possible.



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26 Jul 2019, 10:12 am

Traditional Christian heaven doesn't appeal to me, which is ironic since we say God can give us our greatest desires.

Considering that biblical Christianity has been so poorly presented in thousands of different ways, it is not surprising that someone might have a mistaken perspective of what the human / God relationship would or should be.

If we think of God as a vending machine or magic lamp (interestingly the word genie is derived from the Arabic for demon)., we begin to see him as a poor servant who does an inadequate job of granting our wishes.

Perhaps it is our perspective as ultimate consumers looking for sensations, diversions, and experiences that lead us to conclude that God has a lot of explaining to do.

One thesis that can be considered is that we have grown up in a social world that has been intentionally designed to deceive us. Consider the common view that hardship and difficulty represent that which is to be avoided and comfort and ease represent that which should be pursed.

Consider two wealthy fathers of young men who both rebel against their fathers. One father chooses to cut off all funds from his rebellious son. The other father allows his son to continue access to his funds. The first son has to find a job to earn the money he needs to eat. The second son continues to finance whatever indulgences and whims he fancies. The difficulties the first son encounters help him come to understand reality and truth. The delusions and dissipations of the second son carry him increasingly further from truth.

Getting what we want may seem attractive, but can be corruptive and destructive.

Before rejecting Christianity out of hand, it may be useful to get a more accurate understanding of what it really is rather than being offended by one of the many flawed presentations. Here is a web site that can help for those who have not been happy with what they have found in more traditional presentations.

http://christianpioneer.com/



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26 Jul 2019, 10:26 am

I don't' relate to the grass was greener back in the day part, but I do to the other. Only I think there's going to be a very long line of people in front of you asking for their money back...


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26 Jul 2019, 10:36 am

timf wrote:
Traditional Christian heaven doesn't appeal to me, which is ironic since we say God can give us our greatest desires.

Considering that biblical Christianity has been so poorly presented in thousands of different ways, it is not surprising that someone might have a mistaken perspective of what the human / God relationship would or should be.

If we think of God as a vending machine or magic lamp (interestingly the word genie is derived from the Arabic for demon)., we begin to see him as a poor servant who does an inadequate job of granting our wishes.

Perhaps it is our perspective as ultimate consumers looking for sensations, diversions, and experiences that lead us to conclude that God has a lot of explaining to do.

One thesis that can be considered is that we have grown up in a social world that has been intentionally designed to deceive us. Consider the common view that hardship and difficulty represent that which is to be avoided and comfort and ease represent that which should be pursed.

Consider two wealthy fathers of young men who both rebel against their fathers. One father chooses to cut off all funds from his rebellious son. The other father allows his son to continue access to his funds. The first son has to find a job to earn the money he needs to eat. The second son continues to finance whatever indulgences and whims he fancies. The difficulties the first son encounters help him come to understand reality and truth. The delusions and dissipations of the second son carry him increasingly further from truth.

Getting what we want may seem attractive, but can be corruptive and destructive.

Before rejecting Christianity out of hand, it may be useful to get a more accurate understanding of what it really is rather than being offended by one of the many flawed presentations. Here is a web site that can help for those who have not been happy with what they have found in more traditional presentations.

http://christianpioneer.com/

I think you're projecting A LOT. I've learned from early childhood to take care of myself (had to), and I never had any expectations from God or anyone else to make me happy or fulfil my wishes - that has always been my job.

Some people really care about others and don't hide their heads in the sand: we're surrounded by so much suffering, abuses and injustices, so many lives destroyed before even having a real chance, that the idea of this loving, fair God looks like a very bad joke or delusion, depending how you look at it.


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26 Jul 2019, 10:49 am

If anything like It exists it's not biblical in it's foundations, it's not 'omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent', if anything it's the ground of being and has its own problems, hangups, and far more than not about the reality enacted through it that it has no say in.


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27 Jul 2019, 8:55 am

BenderRodriguez wrote:
timf wrote:
Traditional Christian heaven doesn't appeal to me, which is ironic since we say God can give us our greatest desires.

Considering that biblical Christianity has been so poorly presented in thousands of different ways, it is not surprising that someone might have a mistaken perspective of what the human / God relationship would or should be.

If we think of God as a vending machine or magic lamp (interestingly the word genie is derived from the Arabic for demon)., we begin to see him as a poor servant who does an inadequate job of granting our wishes.

Perhaps it is our perspective as ultimate consumers looking for sensations, diversions, and experiences that lead us to conclude that God has a lot of explaining to do.

One thesis that can be considered is that we have grown up in a social world that has been intentionally designed to deceive us. Consider the common view that hardship and difficulty represent that which is to be avoided and comfort and ease represent that which should be pursed.

Consider two wealthy fathers of young men who both rebel against their fathers. One father chooses to cut off all funds from his rebellious son. The other father allows his son to continue access to his funds. The first son has to find a job to earn the money he needs to eat. The second son continues to finance whatever indulgences and whims he fancies. The difficulties the first son encounters help him come to understand reality and truth. The delusions and dissipations of the second son carry him increasingly further from truth.

Getting what we want may seem attractive, but can be corruptive and destructive.

Before rejecting Christianity out of hand, it may be useful to get a more accurate understanding of what it really is rather than being offended by one of the many flawed presentations. Here is a web site that can help for those who have not been happy with what they have found in more traditional presentations.

http://christianpioneer.com/

I think you're projecting A LOT. I've learned from early childhood to take care of myself (had to), and I never had any expectations from God or anyone else to make me happy or fulfil my wishes - that has always been my job.

Some people really care about others and don't hide their heads in the sand: we're surrounded by so much suffering, abuses and injustices, so many lives destroyed before even having a real chance, that the idea of this loving, fair God looks like a very bad joke or delusion, depending how you look at it.


I see it all as a form of victim blaming. "If I'm screwing you over and getting away with it, it's because God favors ME and not YOU and you deserve to suffer!" Typical white man Christian logic.
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27 Jul 2019, 8:42 pm

Plenty of people want to talk to authority figures

Take a number


Besides when you talk to someone with power, they can just ignore, dismiss, or ridicule you or whatever


When two parties compete, the one with the most resources wins

Resources:. Time, money, energy , friends authority , speed, strength, IQ, whatever



The number of resources matters more than :cry: factual accuracy, logic, legality or morality


Even in a court of law, the party that hires a more $$$$$ lawyer has a competitive advantage




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29 Jul 2019, 2:15 am

"I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
and when I die I expect to find him laughing."

-Depeche Mode, "Blasphemous Rumours"


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29 Jul 2019, 2:17 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
and when I die I expect to find him laughing.


How do you know it's "him"...is he really an old dude with a beard?



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29 Jul 2019, 2:23 am

Hey, I'm an atheist, I'm just quoting good songs here. :)

fun fact: there are bible verses in the accepted Canon that references God having a wife.


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29 Jul 2019, 2:40 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
fun fact: there are bible verses in the accepted Canon that references God having a wife.


Just imagine...."Listen, I expect you to finish making the earth in 7 days or else you'll be sleeping outside with all your little creations!!"



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29 Jul 2019, 3:38 am

...and later: "I need someone else who knows what I'm dealing with...Hey Adam, let me borrow a rib!..."


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04 Aug 2019, 8:52 pm

I also post in light of the two recent mass shootings, one after the other. What if the mass shooting trend is all along part of God's "wonderful" plan too?