The one constant about all societies is injustice, isn't it?

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25 Jul 2019, 3:28 am

Is it any wonder why the French revolution happened? They shouldn't have gone for children, and they shouldn't have gotten angry with Marie for a necklace she didn't even want, but other than those why must a group of people always act stuck up and explicitly steal at times? UK monarchy was executed, multiple times apparently, but they keep respawning like a hydra (no way was it as brutal and as encompassing as in France, at any rate), but they really should have kept them out after the civil war... but no, instead we get their 'modern' version these days blatantly thieving MILLIONS off the public purse... to renovate their property, because the last ten they stayed in weren't good enough apparently. It's not enough to have millions in personal worth, no, apparently they absolutely need a couple more from the public specifically. All the while 'peasants' are forced to live in filth and hand out money to landlords who practically have a throne of cash to sit on, and councils are explicitly murdering people.

f*****g bastards. :x



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25 Jul 2019, 7:47 am

Justice is a word that no one can really even define well.

The truth is that there is little justice to be found anywhere. Do you think nature is just? Watch any nature documentary, and it is apparent that justice is a human concept which does not naturally occur. The weak buffalo in the heard get eaten first, zebra will kill the children of their rivals, ducks will abandon their children at the moment it becomes apparent that they will have any problems, female spiders kill and eat their mates as soon as they have received their genetic material... All without any recourse, punishment, or even acknowledgement of what has happened.

I would argue that societies are relatively just, in that at least you can have more security that you won't get randomly murdered in the street, eaten by a wild animal, or die due to exposure to the elements.

I would say that society has, on average, gotten more and more just as time has gone on, and this coincides with the further and further away we get from living beholden to nature.



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25 Jul 2019, 9:52 am

That is a different kind of a sense of justice. Nature is more random, societies are supposed to be conscious when deciding on a consensus for what is law. As it is, though, apparently it is legal for a single family to just steal millions off the general public (but no, conservatives claim that those who may have had a few coins in error are the thieves, of course) that consists of millions more than that. Actually, if it was nature, as quantity is usually 'heavier' than any individual, just as with revolutions, these presumptuous random nobodies would be swallowed up, but instead we get a brainwashed cult thinking they're props for tourism, wtf.



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25 Jul 2019, 10:39 am

I guess that's my point. All definitions of justice are arbitrary.

Also, we never really leave nature. Society is natural in that animals (humans) make them. Bee hives, ant colonies, and wolf packs are natural in the same way.

I guess what my opinions is, is that we shouldn't be surprised when societies don't meet whatever definition of justice we choose, as there is no reason to think that it has any objective basis.

I also tend to think that people who are less empathetic (in the sociopathic don't feel anything sense, as opposed to the autistic-don't-understand-but-care sense) have an advantage in gaining powerful positions, as they do not get held back from selfishly beneficial things by feelings of guilt or care about the opinions of others.



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26 Jul 2019, 12:36 pm

Of course, in this case they 'gained' their positions by simply being born. I used to not think that violence is the answer, but if these parasites keep sucking millions off the public then I think it's the only solution. Their children should be spared (but no longer princes), Louis XVII was a martyr, but their bastard parents should be brought to justice.