the logical answer for Judaism

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Here is something for the Creationists to think about, especially anyone who subscribes to Abrahamic religious ideals.

In Judaism, Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden of Eden for disobeying his simple instructions.
Since then, according to legend, the Jewish people have been waiting for their Messiah, a normal man without super natural powers to give them the key to life.

Now, following very simple logic. I think that it would be intelligent to reason that if God threw Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden for breaking his simple rules, then, the way ahead to get back in with God, and perhaps return to the Garden of Eden (which may not necessarily be a physical place) would be for everyone to keep Gods rules again.

As well as perhaps show some remorse. I don't know, i am not God. But i think it sounds like its worth a go.
It certainly sounds like a better plan than perhaps some Abrahamic belief followers who have this great idea of
fighting the end of times war against all people who they see as evil or infidels, and doing all they can to attack others. As this surely is futile, especially without God condoning such behaviour.

To me it is impossible to make the world a better place by causing so much pain and misery to random people.
How anyone can think God wants any one to do such things i will never know. How so much destruction will help anyone i also do not know. I also do not think that their is any scriptural basis for such behaviour, in the Old Testament, the New Testament or the Qur'an (Koran).

I can only see their actions, as fueling neo nazi's campaigns to create hatred to people who follow Islam,
which i believe are designed ultimately to cause a race hate war, in the same vein as Charles Manson's bizarre attempt, in the same vein as many other bizarre terror attacks around the Globe for many years now.

So, please instead of killing, think instead of spending your time and money on creating your own ideal society. without killing. Amen. )

Martinez de Pasqually wrote a book called 'Treatise on the Reintegration of Beings' and started the Elus Cohen as a system designed to 'climb' the Kabbalistic Tree of Life through both instrospective and theurgic activities. One of his more famous direct students, Louise-Claude de Saint-Martin was more a fan of Jacob Boehme's approach and professed something closer to simple mysticism and 'the way of the heart' and ever since then some combination of one or the other has been what people generally pursue if they're really trying to do more than just show up to church and be part of a social group.

Another interesting side note, and actually from someone within the Martinist tradition, was a 20th century Russian mystic named Valentin Tomberg who wrote a book called Meditations on the Tarot - a Journey Into Christian Hermeticism. He used the 22 major trump of the Marseilles tarot deck as a launch point for 25 to 30 page essays covering everything from Catholic church doctrine (he became a practicing catholic late in life), the history of the Catholic saints, the history of the French esoteric revolution (18th century onward), commonalities and areas where he wished to see interfaith dialog between the Catholic and Hermetic communities, and all of this was written in his late 60's, interestingly in French, which was only to be released after his death (1973) and it was translated by Robert Powell and attributed to 'Unknown Author'. IMHO it's probably one of the better reads in terms of getting a wide view of the different approaches that people have as far as ways to 'return' to God.

It seems like the game is really to align with the best one has in themselves and hope God can be found in there somewhere - be that through prayer, meditation, ritual, or any implements they can use that they feel gets them in touch with a higher level of themselves which may have a broader reach into the cosmos. There's something to be said for the aphorism 'by their fruits ye shall know them' and, perhaps in something of a scientific manner one can test what they're doing to see if it's actually helping them in some way become a better person.

The challenge I find with a lot of this - it's difficult to falsify or confirm because most of the really serious mystics these days say it's an immense long haul. One of the best known, a French physicist and practicing alchemist named Jean Dubuis who passed away in the late 2000's, said that for most people our incarnations yet to come were too many to count and that only if someone could 'heal at a distance' they could know that they're within twelve incarnations of release from the cycle. I've often heard that his Experience of Eternity exercises lead to such an encounter - ie. seeing the panorama of one's path, and a lot of people avoid it because those who have experienced it indicate that the site of everything they still have yet to go through is a soul-crushing experience and one that often leaves them in deep depression (and also apparently the ecstasy of perfection of 'what this will be' or 'what they will be' when it's all said and done).

If any of that's true one could say we're living in as challenging a world as any atheist or agnostic would consider it, ie. no release anytime soon, no site of salvation from our problems in this life time or likely tens of thousands of years - maybe millions or billions of years for that matter, just a constant rather brutal alchemy that's transforming us until everything volatile is knocked out of us. It's almost enough to make you want to grab a beer and forget about the whole thing but.... seeing the news and how crazy the world is going you realize you can't, ie. that even if the story sucks we still don't have a better one and without 'something' of an organizing principle and especially with the breakdown of the family, social capital, people lose it when they have no orientation and are forced to compete with millions of others in economic anonymity for survival.

Tthe Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and variants thereof, all have Genesis in the Bible.

But what the OP is talking about is not exactly "Judaism".

We were tossed out of the garden of Eden because of the fruit thing. And thats the reason for all human suffering.

Thats as far as judaism goes. Basically its the same story as the Pagan Greek story of Pandora's Box, but with the single Abrahamic God presiding over it. The Greeks didnt have a notion that someone was going to save us from what Pandora did. And neither did Judaism expect someone to save us from the Garden fiasco.

Christianity added the idea that a savior is going to come along to save us ., and restore us to the pre Fall stage.

There has been a TON of remorse shown for the “sins” of Adam and Eve....yet not ONE PERSON had been admitted back to the Garden of Eden.

Or to any sort of an Edenic-type paradise.

I think that utopia will probably never be possible on Earth.

People will always be motivated by money and there was always be inequality between the rich and poor, the haves and have-nots.

Perhaps one day we will have the technology to make utopia possible on Earth and everyone will have equal socioeconomic status but right now I don't see it happening anytime soon.

If there's no Biblical "evidence" that it was destroyed or otherwise rendered "gone," then, by implication, the Garden of Eden should exist somewhere.

Perhaps God moved it to a more remote location. Perhaps it is now what we call "heaven"--with changed membership requirements---namely that a person must have left the corporeal world through cessation of earthly life.

Or, perhaps, it's merely a metaphor.

Maybe eternal sleep is paradise? I like to sleep. Zzzzzz