The Jesus Error

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Jesus taught that you shall always forgive, and turn the other cheek.

I say: This is a big mistake. Look at what happened to Jesus himself: He died in pity on the cross, because he didn't fight back.

You don't want to forgive your enemies. You want to get rid of them, and not only that, you want to get rid of them in a way so that you state an example to others so more people might not even consider the possibility of becoming your enemy.

If you have any objections to this, convince me otherwise. Then I might reconsider it.

Jesus: Why are you people all worshiping crosses so much? Did you think *I* enjoyed the cross part of my story?

"Turning the Other Cheek" was what made Christians Christian----and what caused the spread of the religion----and what caused it to be such a force even in the 21st century.

Yes....of course much extreme violence was perpetuated in the name of Christianity over the ages...no doubt about that!

It was alternative to all the BS that was happening in that time. Unfortunately, many people had to die cruel deaths up to about 300 AD---when Christianity was finally legalized in the Roman Empire.

Kraftie: you're right, actually. It sure did help. "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church" but my gracious, nobody ever said that it would be fun.

Lostonearth: Actually, that was a big question in my Aspie brain as a kid--what's so great about Good Friday anyway?

OP: I find forgiving enemies works quite well, but when there is actually a threat of bodily harm (and there has been) I telephone for the police department and that tends to work nicely enough. I'm not a very menacing person so it's better I don't fight.

Belligerence also breeds contempt so if you're on the defensive a lot, people might be scared of you. Don't know what you think of this but maybe it helps.

There's another figure that's been popping up a lot in culture who was castigated, treated terribly, and came out tougher and more competent for it - and that's Lilith. I almost get the impression that she and Babalon might be the goddesses of our near future because they're a bit like the Darwinian cleanup crew, took WWI and WWII to the face without much help, and an edict from them seems like it would carry the same sort of embarassment that refusing an edict from Christ would but from a different angle - ie. the crap they took and survived, just that the field of activity is a bit different. With Christ it was sort of uniting a dysjunction between heaven and earth and providing himself as the bridge where as with Babalon and Lilith it's integrating the Qliphoth, or in other words integrating the forces of hell to where they come under the yoke of reason.

“Turning the other cheek” is okay (although not always advisable depending on the situation), but I really don’t care for Jesus’ family values.

Luke 14:26: “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters - even more than your own life.”

Matthew 10:34, 35: “I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.”

Matthew 10:37: “Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”

Mark 10:29, 30: “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields - with persecutions - and in the age to come eternal life.”

Matthew 8: 21, 22: “Another disciple said to him, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” But Jesus told him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.”



These are just a few examples. There are many more throughout the New Testament.

If I thought Jesus actually said these things, I would say that he was rather narcissistic and unfeeling.

I couldn’t love anyone more than my own child, and I tend to value family values overall.

I think forgiveness is for me. I've held long grudges and I've forgiven. Then I've reflected on what felt like what. No doubt, unforgiveness is like anger for me. It builds a somewhat self-sustaining fire and that fire can motivate. Sometimes it can motivate a positive outcome, like an accomplishment. The bad thing was that the fire burned other things that I did not realize I might need at a later date.
Then, as an experiment, I tried forgiveness. It felt weightless and my soul felt naked without the weight. What would I be without it? I think we 'gather' as we roll on through life. We gather hurts, scars, memories, experiences, love, loss, fears, traumas. Those are heavy. When I held on to the grudge, the lesson never got through. Unforgiveness was an armor, but it only kept out wisdom and kept in love. I was weighted down with the bad, but never the good.

So, I don't do it right. But, I've gotten better.

There's nothing saying I can't remember what a person has done, only that I set myself free.

Lots of times I'll connect these posts to some saying in recovery: "Is it better to be right, or happy?" And I suck at it. Unforgiveness says "I'm right, forever." It's fun to be right, but it's sure lonely.

OMG There are so many Different Jesus Role Play Characters
in the New Testament from Love Your Enemy Turn the Other
Cheek to if you don't worship me As God and Bow to me i'll
Send you to an Eternal Lake of Fire or More Likely A Gehenna Garbage Dump on the Edge
of Town in Eternal Rotting Death and Stink and Just Chaos of Junked up Stuff Just
Total Chaos outside of Love..
But of Course Still if Evangelical
Christians Will Morph 13,000 Father
of All Lies in Example at Least for 'THE
Chosen one of God'.. anything Goes anything
is Possible when the only rules there are.. are
From Those Supposedly in Charge.. Anyway it
Was Obvious to me From Young Childhood that
God is Love and My Mother Was Jesus for all Practical
Intents and Purposes too; sure it is understandable why
Some Folks are not loved in Childhood Well and Turn to a Story
to get Their Ration of Feeling Sensing LoVE iNStead can't really
Blame 'em for
it Folks have
Been MaKinG
Words into Soul
Felt and Sensed
Feelings as Long
As Words come to
Save the Love for those
Who Cannot Find that Magic in Real Life Now..
Anyway Stories 2000 or so Year-Old Stories are
Still Ruling A Substantial Part of the World... to
dismiss the Power of Story now is to be Blind-
Sided More for what one may not Believe in too..