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13 Nov 2019, 8:14 am

Great film here by John Pilger about the treatment of the native population. Genocide, ethnic cleansing, child abduction, smear campaigns with government using deception and outrageous lies.


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17 Nov 2019, 1:00 pm

Reminds me a bit of Apartheid South Africa, of all things.



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17 Nov 2019, 7:56 pm

Same here!


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18 Nov 2019, 3:42 am

Interestingly, America also had quite a history of Racism as well. Like Australia, America was originally settled by the British.



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18 Nov 2019, 8:02 am

Yep. A very dark history


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18 Nov 2019, 8:09 am

Let's not forget Canada! :D


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18 Nov 2019, 9:00 am

It’s pretty well known these days what the Australian authorities did to the Aboriginal population up until maybe 50 years ago.



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18 Nov 2019, 11:49 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s pretty well known these days what the Australian authorities did to the Aboriginal population up until maybe 50 years ago.


Try and watch the link before making a comment. Then you'd realise the film shows it continues up to the modern day.


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19 Nov 2019, 3:11 am

America, Australia, Canada, and every other nation founded by colonialism has a dark history. It's up to the citizens of each country to expose the past and rectify wrongs in order to fill in the moral void in their national histories.


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19 Nov 2019, 4:19 am

The British (or should I say the English) had a particularly brutal cultural approach in history.

However, :mrgreen:
There is a lot of truth sodomy, in much of what has been said recently, to support a leftwing narrative.
It would be rather naive to accept something presented without engaging critical thinking.
I am interested in the Truth rather than a fabricated "truth," which supports a political agenda.

BTW, Who here has "Fact Checked" what has been presented?
I might if I can find the time in this very busy part of the year.

Please note:
-I am neutral on the subject.
-I haven't watched the video yet.
-Opinions worth their salt require effort in the form of research incorporating an objective mindset.
-Emotionalism distorts the Truth.
-Partisanship/tribalism/groupthink is the enemy of objectivity.
-Opinions utilizing critical thinking has greater credibility than positions based on sanctimony.


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19 Nov 2019, 4:21 am

TheCherokeeRosePrince wrote:
Let's not forget Canada! :D


Canada who? :scratch:


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19 Nov 2019, 4:42 am

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Veteran Australian journalist John Pilger's new film places Aboriginal Australia's dispossession and Third-World living conditions on the global stage.

Indigenous people in remote areas, Pilger says in Utopia, which opened this month, are suffering a form of apartheid. But even indigenous rights advocates wonder whether the award-winning documentary maker, loathed by conservative commentators, is not presenting a skewed picture.

Here, former Aboriginal affairs minister Fred Chaney, Australian of the Year Adam Goodes, academic Anthony Dillon and former indigenous health minister Warren Snowdon - who had a combative exchange with Pilger - review Utopia.

Northern Territory MP and forer minister for indigenous health

Having been interviewed by John Pilger for Utopia, my expectations for an insightful, balanced and fair yarn were not high. Despite my distaste for Pilger's hectoring and polemical style, the film does remind us of our national story's shameful aspects. It highlights the saga of suffering, dispossession, alienation, racism and poverty suffered by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians. However, this film is a documentary designed to tell a story reflecting Pilger's view. It's not one of genuine inquiry or balance. Some elements, including skilful use of archival footage, are effective despite the Pilger narrative. These include the coverage of the sacrifice and strikes by the NSW cotton workers and Wave Hill stockmen, the discussions of the stolen generations and failures of the justice systems. The exposure of the Northern Territory intervention, its false rationale and effects, is compelling.

Elsewhere though, the film falls short. It tells us nothing new and makes no attempt to analyse more contemporary policies or their impact. Some of the omissions are glaring. Despite featuring the debate on national land rights, there is no discussion of the success of land rights in the NT and elsewhere, or the benefits derived from native title recognition. There is no recognition of Labor's ending the intervention and removing the exemption for it from the Racial Discrimination Act. The Close the Gap campaign and measures funded in areas such as health and education seem to be of no interest to Pilger. His disdain for reconciliation is made clear. He apparently sees no value in recognising the success of community-based organisations, the growing Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander middle class, and the burgeoning number of academics, professionals, tradespeople and entrepreneurs among them and the many in leadership positions. Pilger reminds us of a sorry past and the need to ensure indigenous rights are respected, but otherwise misses the mark. The film lacks balance and objectivity.

Dr Anthony Dillon
Academic researcher, University of Western Sydney

Utopia shows some clear examples of the appalling problems facing some Aborigines. And for that I applaud him. But this important message gets lost among other, less important, matters such as the history of Rottnest Island (a segment featuring poor acting), Australia Day celebrations, and the lack of commemoration of our Aboriginal defenders against the British invasion. The naive viewer could be forgiven for thinking that most Aborigines live under such poor conditions. Missing from Utopia is balance, as well as any well thought out solution to the problems facing those Aborigines who are its focus. While Pilger insists a treaty is needed, there is no mention of the fact that many thousands of Aboriginal Australians are doing well without a treaty. After viewing this film some will say: ''It's the government's fault. Ah, I feel so much better now because I have exposed the government and am therefore helping Aborigines.'' This film will provide the feel-good stimulation these people seek. If only such self-gratification was helpful. But Pilger underestimates the intelligence of the average Australian. They know there is an enormous amount of goodwill for Aboriginal people and that the majority of them are doing well; it is a relatively small minority who are not. A solution begins with understanding why some Aborigines are doing well and others are not. Perhaps Rosalie Kunoth-Monks, an example of a successful Aboriginal woman and key player in Utopia, could provide her insights? Why are she and many others like her doing well, but the people of Utopia and other places like it are not?

Adam Goodes
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I am an urban Aboriginal man; I wasn't brought up into my culture, I don't have my language, nor my kinship system to live by. My mum was part of the stolen generations and, because of this, my mum and her three boys never learnt what it meant to be Aboriginal.

Utopia has shown me how, over 225 years, the Europeans, and now the governments that run our country, have raped, killed and stolen from my people for their own benefit. The total injustices that have been played out since colonisation are absolutely shameful, and I now find it hard to say I am proud to be Australian.

Australia has a very black past; Utopia shows real-life stories of what has happened over the past 225 years. I cried like I had lost a family member on three occasions watching this film - a must-see for all Australians.
Fred Chaney
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Senior Australian of the Year, 2014

It is always painful to replay the story of dispossession, dispersal and continuing deprivation of the first Australians. They are entitled to an honest telling of their history, and they are entitled to an honest assessment of continuing failures. John Pilger rubs our noses in some brutal realities, but his expose is shallow in comparison with other accounts of the treatment of Aborigines in the Northern Territory. Barry Hill's book Broken Song is but one example. And where does Pilger take us? The film's interview with Warren Snowdon highlights the dilemma for all of us working with Aboriginal people. Should we focus on lamenting the mistakes of the past and continuing failures, or on working out what to do now, learning from the successes and failures of the past and present?

My own long involvement with Aboriginal causes has been sustained by knowledge of past and present wrongs. That is what drives continuing engagement in the unfinished business of reconciliation. But a focus on wrongs without remedies, on failures of policy rather than learning from the causes of failure and the causes of success seems to me likely to continue the past. If there were not reason to celebrate the achievements of so many Aboriginal people over my lifetime I would despair about ever seeing an end to current problems. To see only government failure in a year when there is cross-party support for what is broadly termed closing the gap and for constitutional recognition, is to fail to see that we are still struggling with the ''how'' as much as the ''what''. We all should share in Pilger's rage, but it is useless if it does not motivate us to continue the search for solutions. That search is a bit more difficult than his documentary would suggest.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/with-ut ... 328wr.html


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19 Nov 2019, 8:16 am

Who fact checks the Sydney morning Herald? Want me to dig into them as expose what they are?


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19 Nov 2019, 8:02 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Who fact checks the Sydney morning Herald? Want me to dig into them as expose what they are?

The more research the better.
"You go gurl". :wink:


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20 Nov 2019, 11:54 am

Lol.

Just reading through the link the people they use to smear John Pilger are the two lying scumbags in the film responsible for the native political issues.


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21 Nov 2019, 12:04 pm

It was a long video but well worth watching.
A lot of food for thought.
Quite an eye-opener.
Made in 2013, if I understand Roman Numerals.


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