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19 Nov 2019, 3:48 am

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Andrew Bolt: Anti-white ABC film a grim sign of our intellectual decay


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Truth is now what activists say it is. Proof: the ABC will next year screen a two-part “history” by “Aboriginal writer” Bruce Pascoe.

Based on Pascoe’s prize-winning book Dark Emu, the film will make an extraordinary claim.

No, Aborigines weren’t primitive hunter-gatherers, but sophisticated farmers with an “agricultural industry” — tilled fields, big villages and huge overhead granaries. That is, until it was destroyed by wicked men as white as, er, Pascoe’s face.

This is the kind of anti-white story that the woke now loves, and so Pascoe was given the NSW Premier’s Prize for Book of the Year and another for best indigenous writer. The Australia Council gave him a lifetime achievement award.

He’s even been made a professor in the indigenous faculty of the University of Technology Sydney.


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ABC HELPS 'ABORIGINAL HISTORIAN' BRUCE PASCOE REWRITE OUR PAST- Bruce Pascoe says he's Aboriginal. He also says Aborigines weren't hunter-gatherers but sophisticated farmers, sometimes living in big towns and storing grain in huge overhead silos. But Pascoe's claims are based on very shaky or false evidence, so why is the ABC presenting a series starring him and his "history"? My editorial from The Bolt Report. - C/o Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun, November 13, 2019


https://youtu.be/HXLx_9MpV80



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19 Nov 2019, 5:10 am

Watched the video. And it does kind of look like a bit of scrutiny probably should be placed on this Bruce Pascoe's sources, there should be some experts who would be better at it than us or Andrew Bolt, who is not a fair face for this sort of topic.

Kind of looks like hyperbolae to claim that the ABC is helping him rewrite history, the film seems to be being made by Blackfella Films, ABC is simply showing it, and I don't think ABC only show completely accurate films, nor would it be up to them to check if it is, rather than publicly funded channel to show Australian made media.

But it is not like this guy alone, or the Left, are the ones trying to rewrite history and use made up facts to spin the narrative they want.


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19 Nov 2019, 6:38 am

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Watched the video. And it does kind of look like a bit of scrutiny probably should be placed on this Bruce Pascoe's sources, there should be some experts who would be better at it than us or Andrew Bolt, who is not a fair face for this sort of topic.

Kind of looks like hyperbolae to claim that the ABC is helping him rewrite history, the film seems to be being made by Blackfella Films, ABC is simply showing it, and I don't think ABC only show completely accurate films, nor would it be up to them to check if it is, rather than publicly funded channel to show Australian made media.

But it is not like this guy alone, or the Left, are the ones trying to rewrite history and use made up facts to spin the narrative they want.


Interesting video.

I will tackle ABC bias first:

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I am convinced, based on decades of contemplation and casual research, that the Australian ABC has a strong leftwing political bias despite its legal charter to be impartial.
I have personally seen an unadulterated leftwing bias by some of the ABC media personnel.
It has been pointed out that there are no conservative commentators/journalists employed by the ABC which is a give-away, surely. :wink:
As a taxpayer, I am not impressed but I still watch certain ABC programs in part to obtain a balanced perspective of current events, though I use my personal life experience and humungously huge brain to sort out the "wheat from the chaff". 8)

My firm conclusion is that, as a whole, the ABC network has an unacceptable leftwing political bias.
Just my opinion, of course. :wink:

You made the point that there isn't just a biased position in regards to leftwing politics.
It is to be expected.
Human nature and all that stuff.
This is axiomatic. <shrug>
But the topic of this thread is about the apparent deception of Bruce Pascoe and the embracing of what seems to be blatant errors by the ABC which is facilitating the dissemination of misinformation through the production of a documentary based on apparently deliberate erroneous and corrupted information.

It seems to me at this point in time that the leftwing ABC is turning a blind eye because the information serves their collective narrative.

Like I said,
Just my opinion,
But I am "The Oracle of Truth" so my opinion does have some weight. 8)



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19 Nov 2019, 7:50 am

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I am convinced, based on decades of contemplation and casual research, that the Australian ABC has a strong leftwing political bias despite its legal charter to be impartial.
I have personally seen an unadulterated leftwing bias by some of the ABC media personnel.
It has been pointed out that there are no conservative commentators/journalists employed by the ABC which is a give-away, surely. :wink:


This is probably because ABC pays less than other studios, quite a lot of the people on the channel I have seen talk about how little money they get for being on the channel. So a lot of the time the mainstays there are going to be doing it partially out of goodwill. Other channels can have the personnel be, or need to be, influenced the rich owners, stakeholders, and advertisers, so ABC has all the people against that go to them. It is why you are more likely to get news stories that criticise companies that are destroying the environment while watching ABC, while those companies can try and slow down on that narrative.

ABC more likely to show things that are uncomfortable truths, from environmental to social issues, because they have no need to appease audiences for advertisement money, and all the incentive to try and bring awareness. Sure, ABC probably has a bit of a Leftwing bias, but it kind of feels that way when most of the other channels are owned by the rich. Just a fact that a publicly funded channel will skew Left. After all, it is the traditionally Right/Conservative view for lower taxes and less government services, over the Left/Progressive view.

Other than all that, I don't have a lot to say on Bruce Pascoe, despite the video by the conservative Andrew Bolt, I am not informed enough, or involved in the specific academia, to come to conclusions. I kind of honestly believe that his heritage should matter less as something to focus on for his character, as in honesty it does not matter as much to me for bloodlines, not sure it matters for expertise what your ancestors were. Those are except for the provisions done for people's heritage which, I generally believe should be more about fixing economic problems and trying to help lost heritage brought from past actions, rather than what I think some conservative people seeing it as some sort of revenge and punishment. I would hope that the academics look at the facts, rather than what sounds convenient.

I won't claim to be "The Oracle of Truth", I am a dumb kid (29), and well aware that it is so easy to simply accept easy truths you were told in the past. Still learning tings like the Food Pyramid was totally BS that was influenced by the food industries. Still growing on issues that I felt very different about a decade ago. Like thoughts on the LGBT stuff, which I found kind of uncomfortable, now realising why I felt uncomfortable and I have to stand strongly against the conservative view. The intellectual decay I much more fear is the likes of wanting to downplay horrible things done by settlers because it might make me feel "less guilty".


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19 Nov 2019, 9:05 am

Bruce Pascoe is an Indigenous Australian writer, of mixed Cornish, Bunurong, Yuin, and Aboriginal Tasmanian (Palawa) heritage.  He has also written under the names Murray Gray and Leopold Glass.  He has worked as a teacher, farmer, a fisherman and an Aboriginal language researcher.  His personal website was recently suspended for unknown reasons.

There is, however, another website related to his work:
Dark Emu, Exposed!


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19 Nov 2019, 2:24 pm

That one got shut down as well apparently.



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19 Nov 2019, 2:29 pm

I was just looking at it this morning!


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19 Nov 2019, 7:49 pm

Hmm. I don't get what the reason for such a claim would be... Is agriculture considered more highly developed than the incredible cultural heritage of finding your way through the Australian outback by navigation along songlyrics?
The settlers committed horrible crimes against humanity, whether or not there were grain silos... And that's not even talking about the indigenous Tasmanians...


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19 Nov 2019, 8:35 pm

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Bruce Pascoe is an Indigenous Australian writer, of mixed Cornish, Bunurong, Yuin, and Aboriginal Tasmanian (Palawa) heritage. He has also written under the names Murray Gray and Leopold Glass. He has worked as a teacher, farmer, a fisherman and an Aboriginal language researcher. His personal website was recently suspended for unknown reasons.

There is, however, another website related to his work:
Dark Emu, Exposed!


Bolt mentioned research into Pascoe's heritage indicated no sign of aboriginality.
The link you provided places doubt on what Pascoe has written.



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19 Nov 2019, 9:08 pm

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Hmm. I don't get what the reason for such a claim would be... Is agriculture considered more highly developed than the incredible cultural heritage of finding your way through the Australian outback by navigation along songlyrics?


The "intellectual decay" refers to either the embracing of misinformation as a result of poor fact-checking or deliberately turning a blind-eye to erroneous facts so as to support a particular agenda.

You do realise one needs to be accurate in historic events?
One can't just make things up.
This is the issue in this thread.
You are making a separate point in regards to the sophistication of navigation.

Your mindset indicates a confrontational attitude.
Your implied premise seems to be that some people are interested in diminishing aboriginal society.
I see nothing which indicates this.
Could you highlight where you got that impression?

Based on what I have researched/seen so far, the information indicates any distortion of the truth is coming from Pascoe.
Manufactured "truth" to service a political narrative is not the actual Truth. :wink:



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19 Nov 2019, 9:53 pm

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Based on what I have researched/seen so far, the information indicates any distortion of the truth is coming from Pascoe.
Manufactured "truth" to service a political narrative is not the actual Truth. :wink:


Dude, I for one was saying that there was some credence to look into Pascoe's claims and sources, and also provided you with a video of a popular rightwing figure that you could also prove does the whole "manufactured "truth" to service a political narrative".

From my perspective, shlaifu's comments about if Pascoe's points are false, it is an incredibly stupid thing on his part, because it ultimately should not matter much in making it any different how horrible settlers were to the indigenous people. Those are except for the people that think bringing a lot of modern progress should excuse it, and I honestly think those people should not be listened to.

I am on the Left, and I am on your side on wanting actual truths recorded, but I won't feed into your conspiracy about a nebulous Leftwing conspiracy in trying to rewrite history to what they want. If the points are wrong, my assumption would probably be along the lines of this Pascoe fella being a confused man who tied his identity to aboriginal heritage and saw things he thought were good, and ABC just have a history of accepting films or documentaries from Aboriginal figures.

For your own mental health, I ask you to not just assume everything is a plot against your groups. As it stands, Australia already has an awful reputation of racism, with a Leftwing party that can't seem to set itself straight. Morrison just recently was characterising all environmental protestors in the worst possible light as selfish, and was saying he was going to find a way to force businesses that refused to do business with mining companies, due to public outcry, essentially destroying free speech in the market.


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20 Nov 2019, 8:58 pm

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Andrew Bolt: Truth about Dark Emu doesn’t count in poison of identity politics


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Finally! “Aboriginal author” Bruce Pascoe has replied to my questions about his identity and bizarre book, Dark Emu.

And ABC presenters also responded after I asked why their ABC will run a TV series starring Pascoe and his anti-white “history”.

But they’ve just made this farce worse.

Pascoe still won’t give a straight answer and the ABC presenters’ abuse proves they don’t care about facts. This is tribal.

As I wrote on Monday, the very white Pascoe has repeatedly claimed he’s Aboriginal. What’s more, his book claims Aborigines were not what historians have said — primitive hunter-gatherers — but sophisticated farmers in towns of up to 1000 people.

This startling reinvention has been celebrated by the cultural Left. Dark Emu won Book of the Year at the NSW Premier’s literary awards and a new children’s version of this bestseller is in many schools.

But wait. Are Pascoe’s claims actually true or a laughable invention?

On Monday I wrote that researchers on the dark-emu-exposed.com website have extensively fact-checked Pascoe and his book.

For a start, their records suggest Pascoe does not have one Aboriginal ancestor. Sure, they may have made a mistake, but Pascoe won’t answer my written questions.

But on Monday he did emerge on the ABC’s Statewide program in Victoria to claim that the researchers had failed to research “the entire family”.

And he repeated: “My family is Aboriginal. It goes back to our great-grandmothers.” He was not asked to name which ones.

In fact, the researchers’ records suggest Pascoe’s great-grandmothers are Sarah Matthews (born in England), a Mrs Smith (born and died in England), Elizabeth Jane Hall (parents born in England) and Rebecca Arnold (father born in England, mother’s parents born in England).

Unfortunately, the ABC also failed to ask Pascoe about my evidence that he’d misquoted explorers’ accounts to claim that Aborigines had big overhead grain stores and had harvested huge fields.

Let me give more examples of how wildly Pascoe misquotes his sources, making Aboriginal society look more advanced and white settlers more cruel.

Charles Sturt is one of our most famous explorers and Pascoe repeatedly cites his famous 1849 Narrative of an Expedition into Central Australia.

Sturt writes there that his exhausted expedition was past Cooper Creek with “our horses” (plural) when it was “suddenly hailed by 3 or 400 natives”.

These Aborigines fed the explorers and said could sleep in “a large new hut”, which Sturt doesn’t describe.

Pascoe, particularly in his lectures and interviews, has embroidered all that. He’s claimed that Sturt’s men had in fact “eaten all their horses but one” (false) when they met “nearly 1000 people” (exaggerated), in a “town” (exaggerated) — a “little model community with timber and thatch houses” (invented).

He says Sturt was offered “the pick of the houses” (no longer just huts) “in a new estate” (as in housing estate).

In Dark Emu, Pascoe invents more details in this “town” that Sturt never described: “The smaller huts … were full of stored produce. Yards attached to these store houses were used as animal holding pens.”

Really? What animals would the Aborigines have kept in those “animal holding pens” in that parched land? Dingoes?

Sturt also wrote how surprised he was by “the smallness of the waterhole, on which these people depended”.

Pascoe vastly exaggerates that, too: “(The Aborigines) had dug a well which I think was 70 foot deep … That’s an engineering feat.”

Sturt describes women in this camp grinding seed “between two stones”, making a noise “like the working of a loom factory”.

Pascoe quotes that passage in Dark Emu, but elsewhere in the book refers to “Sturt’s description of the evening whirring of hundreds of mills grinding grain into flour”.

Two stones become “hundreds of mills” — and Pascoe has his Aboriginal “agricultural industry”.

Why haven’t professional historians called out Pascoe? And why did the ABC think it should promote his book as the history of this nation?



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20 Nov 2019, 10:22 pm

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Pepe wrote:
I am convinced, based on decades of contemplation and casual research, that the Australian ABC has a strong leftwing political bias despite its legal charter to be impartial.
I have personally seen an unadulterated leftwing bias by some of the ABC media personnel.
It has been pointed out that there are no conservative commentators/journalists employed by the ABC which is a give-away, surely. :wink:


This is probably because ABC pays less than other studios, quite a lot of the people on the channel I have seen talk about how little money they get for being on the channel. So a lot of the time the mainstays there are going to be doing it partially out of goodwill. Other channels can have the personnel be, or need to be, influenced the rich owners, stakeholders, and advertisers, so ABC has all the people against that go to them. It is why you are more likely to get news stories that criticise companies that are destroying the environment while watching ABC, while those companies can try and slow down on that narrative.

I billion dollars of tax payer's money goes to the ABC.
Andrew Bolt has mentioned the Media Watch presenter, Paul Barry, gets $150,000 for a 15 minute presentation per week, and this amount doesn't include his research team.
You can see why I was surprised to read your comment about the ABC being cash strapped. :wink:

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ABC more likely to show things that are uncomfortable truths, from environmental to social issues, because they have no need to appease audiences for advertisement money, and all the incentive to try and bring awareness. Sure, ABC probably has a bit of a Leftwing bias, but it kind of feels that way when most of the other channels are owned by the rich. Just a fact that a publicly funded channel will skew Left. After all, it is the traditionally Right/Conservative view for lower taxes and less government services, over the Left/Progressive view.

There are varying degrees of bias in the ABC.
I liked Barry Cassidy's presentation of the Insiders and was sorry to see him go.
But I have also seen some shocking leftwing bias.
I don't agree with everything Andrew Bolt says either, btw.
As I mentioned, I am a non-partisan moderate conservative who focuses on the truth, wherever that may be.

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Other than all that, I don't have a lot to say on Bruce Pascoe, despite the video by the conservative Andrew Bolt, I am not informed enough, or involved in the specific academia, to come to conclusions. I kind of honestly believe that his heritage should matter less as something to focus on for his character, as in honesty it does not matter as much to me for bloodlines, not sure it matters for expertise what your ancestors were.

It is a question of credibility.
A purported historian who can't get his personal history correct, well, do I need to say more about his investigative skills, assuming there was no intent to be deceptive.
Assuming Pascoe's assertion of his aboriginality is incorrect, how exquisitely ironic for a "historian". :mrgreen:


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Those are except for the provisions done for people's heritage which, I generally believe should be more about fixing economic problems and trying to help lost heritage brought from past actions, rather than what I think some conservative people seeing it as some sort of revenge and punishment. I would hope that the academics look at the facts, rather than what sounds convenient.

Firstly: Where indeed are the academics?
Could it be they are too fearful of repercussions in simply questioning what has been written?

Bolt's obvious concern is that the book "Dark Emus" is indeed a direct attack on white society.
While not trying to "white-wash" :mrgreen: the inhumanity of some of the first settlers, creating additional crimes to support a political narrative is simply unethical and unacceptable.

There has also been commentary, here or elsewhere, about collective guilt.
It is a narrative that, while infantile, has been used to influenced public opinion and fuelled sanctimony and self-flagellatory virtue-signalling.

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I won't claim to be "The Oracle of Truth", I am a dumb kid (29), and well aware that it is so easy to simply accept easy truths you were told in the past. Still learning tings like the Food Pyramid was totally BS that was influenced by the food industries. Still growing on issues that I felt very different about a decade ago. Like thoughts on the LGBT stuff, which I found kind of uncomfortable, now realising why I felt uncomfortable and I have to stand strongly against the conservative view. The intellectual decay I much more fear is the likes of wanting to downplay horrible things done by settlers because it might make me feel "less guilty".


Yes, you are just a "dumb kid" at 29, and I am wise beyond belief,
But you have remarkable insight non-the-less. :mrgreen:

Could you point out where Bolt is trying to downplay "horrible things done by settlers"?
I see him simply defending "Truth" and countering a seeming narrative to create a sense of collective guilt being internalised by those who do not simply have "English" ancestry, but by all Caucasians.



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20 Nov 2019, 10:53 pm

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Could you point out where Bolt is trying to downplay "horrible things done by settlers"?
I see him simply defending "Truth" and countering a seeming narrative to create a sense of collective guilt being internalised by those who do not simply have "English" ancestry, but by all Caucasians.


Why do you think that people are trying to make you feel guilty? I support all the helping of people with aboriginal heritage and such, but I don't feel any guilt.

Perhaps because I am pretty sure I don't have any ancestors that go that far back into this country, but honestly I don't feel any personal guilt. My wish for things to help and ABC being free to do what they are has nothing with wanting people to hate white people. I am Leftwing, if it was not obvious already.

I know that you said that you are a non-partisan moderate, but that does actually put you on one side in being a conservative, whether you like it or not. This is nothing against you, but I am going to try and explain there being a fundamental difference between conservatives/Right and progressives/Left. While you see this stuff as attacking your group of white/Caucasian, those on the Left don't think of it in the same way, the more Left someone is the larger we identify with groups.

Using a more direct example of refugees, a conservative person is more likely to see them as a danger to their groups, but we on the Left already feel for them as part of our in group. A person on the right will feel very protective of their immediate family and a little afraid of those outside, a left person is less afraid. I know it sounds confusing, but I just want you to understand that people on the Leftwing actually think differently to what you experience, they are not trying attack white people like you think they are.


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21 Nov 2019, 8:44 pm

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Hmm. I don't get what the reason for such a claim would be... Is agriculture considered more highly developed than the incredible cultural heritage of finding your way through the Australian outback by navigation along songlyrics?


The "intellectual decay" refers to either the embracing of misinformation as a result of poor fact-checking or deliberately turning a blind-eye to erroneous facts so as to support a particular agenda.

You do realise one needs to be accurate in historic events?
One can't just make things up.
This is the issue in this thread.
You are making a separate point in regards to the sophistication of navigation.

Your mindset indicates a confrontational attitude.
Your implied premise seems to be that some people are interested in diminishing aboriginal society.
I see nothing which indicates this.
Could you highlight where you got that impression?

Based on what I have researched/seen so far, the information indicates any distortion of the truth is coming from Pascoe.
Manufactured "truth" to service a political narrative is not the actual Truth. :wink:


I think Pascoe is diminishing Australian Aboriginal culture by his need to portray it incorrectly.
As in: what's the point in making this up? This, specifically, adds no further crime, nor any more value to the culture destroyed.
Is he implying the destruction of this culture was less of a crime, if it had not been the agricultural society he is claiming it was?
Is someone else implying that wiping out hunter-gatherer societies is somehow not as noteworthy as wiping out agricultural societies?

I guess he wanted to sell some books to conspiracy theorists?


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29 Nov 2019, 3:41 am

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'Stunning allegations' made about historian Pascoe

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Sky News host Andrew Bolt says Aboriginal representatives have made “stunning allegations” about historian Bruce Pascoe and his Indigenous ancestry.


6 minute video.

https://youtu.be/5Bk-5ACZ7P0