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envirozentinel
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04 Dec 2019, 11:13 am
envirozentinel
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04 Dec 2019, 11:16 am
funeralxempire
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04 Dec 2019, 3:59 pm
04 Dec 2019, 4:15 pm
envirozentinel wrote:
Not sure what your point is, as drastic action is needed to solve the crisis,even if a brand new political system is needed - not one of the failed ones from the past but a brand new one where we're united towards the common goal of being a more compassionate society. Saving the planet for future generations needs fearless and radical change. It's started but needs more momentum.
I think his point is that Greta is showing her true colours.
Well, more correctly, other people's true colours.
I agree with some of the commentators that Greta is a tool of the political left who openly state that "It was never about climate change, it was about social change."
And as a result, Greta has lost her MVP status in grand social politics. <shrug>
I have always, and I mean always, seen this Greta Thunberg phenomenon a joke and have seen it as the cynical exploitation by left-wing elements of a vulnerable, emotionally disturbed girl.
Apparently, her father is profoundly involved in left-wing politics.
I wonder where Greta got her ideas from? <ponder>
04 Dec 2019, 4:22 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Our friend Darmok doesn't appear to accept the reality of climate change or any need to move away from fossil fuels etc. All the old folk I talk to have noticed the gradual climate changes.
Old farts are free to pretend it isn't occurring, they'll be dead before it impacts them.
Too right!
But hang on.
You mean the old farts who don't have any skin in the game, like me, don't you?
Other old farts have their children and grand children to consider.
I am sure they would rather their offspring have a better future than themselves, right?
Isn't that the way parenthood is supposed to work?
04 Dec 2019, 4:24 pm
Pepe wrote:
Apparently, her father is profoundly involved in left-wing politics.
I wonder where Greta got her ideas from? <ponder>
I wonder where Greta got her ideas from? <ponder>
And her mother.
And her grandfather.
04 Dec 2019, 4:53 pm
04 Dec 2019, 4:56 pm
envirozentinel wrote:
Our friend Darmok doesn't appear to accept the reality of climate change or any need to move away from fossil fuels etc. All the old folk I talk to have noticed the gradual climate changes.
It is hard to accept the integrity and credibility of a group of people who consistently peddle nonsense predictions which never eventuate.
Don't get me wrong,
Firstly, I believe in climate change since "Climate Change" has always happened and is always happening.
Secondly, I find it hard (impossible) to believe humanity isn't influencing the environment to some degree.
The problem for many people is that they don't like being treated like mugs to service someone else's political agenda.
"Useful Idiots":
Quote:
n political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically used by the cause's leaders.[1][2] The term was originally used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation.[1] The term has often been attributed to Vladimir Lenin,[3] but this attribution is unsubstantiated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
And thirdly:
Catastrophizing about a no return point causing an extinction event simply doesn't "Cut the Mustard" with more informed individuals.
We are in an "Ice Age" at the moment and the earth's climate does alternates between warmer and kooler conditions.
My understanding is that the amount of polar ice that we have atm is not typical.
I.E. The earth "normally" doesn't have as much ice as it has now.
Please take this statement in context.
If there is a problem with environmental compliance determined by some groups, could it have something to do the absolute BS that people have been fed for many years?
May I suggest that Chicken Little goes to the Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages and legally change his/her name in addition to grabbing a pair of "Groucho Marx" glasses with attached big nose, eyebrows and moustache?
I think we have seen enough of that turkey, err, I mean chicken.
04 Dec 2019, 5:00 pm
AlanMooresBeard wrote:
James Delingpole is an idiot. Please do not post his nonsense in here.
Request rejected.
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04 Dec 2019, 6:27 pm
Pepe wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Not sure what your point is, as drastic action is needed to solve the crisis,even if a brand new political system is needed - not one of the failed ones from the past but a brand new one where we're united towards the common goal of being a more compassionate society. Saving the planet for future generations needs fearless and radical change. It's started but needs more momentum.
I think his point is that Greta is showing her true colours.
Well, more correctly, other people's true colours.
I agree with some of the commentators that Greta is a tool of the political left who openly state that "It was never about climate change, it was about social change."
And as a result, Greta has lost her MVP status in grand social politics. <shrug>
I have always, and I mean always, seen this Greta Thunberg phenomenon a joke and have seen it as the cynical exploitation by left-wing elements of a vulnerable, emotionally disturbed girl.
Apparently, her father is profoundly involved in left-wing politics.
I wonder where Greta got her ideas from? <ponder>
oh just get over yourself.
04 Dec 2019, 7:53 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Not sure what your point is, as drastic action is needed to solve the crisis,even if a brand new political system is needed - not one of the failed ones from the past but a brand new one where we're united towards the common goal of being a more compassionate society. Saving the planet for future generations needs fearless and radical change. It's started but needs more momentum.
I think his point is that Greta is showing her true colours.
Well, more correctly, other people's true colours.
I agree with some of the commentators that Greta is a tool of the political left who openly state that "It was never about climate change, it was about social change."
And as a result, Greta has lost her MVP status in grand social politics. <shrug>
I have always, and I mean always, seen this Greta Thunberg phenomenon a joke and have seen it as the cynical exploitation by left-wing elements of a vulnerable, emotionally disturbed girl.
Apparently, her father is profoundly involved in left-wing politics.
I wonder where Greta got her ideas from? <ponder>
oh just get over yourself.
MODS!
Personal attack!
I am mortally offended!
A ban is in order,
Unless I get some restitution, of course.
I'll send you my bank account details via PM.
<ponder>
Moi taking myself seriously?
In what universe?
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