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15 Dec 2019, 9:06 pm

She's apparently got the support of senior party members. Can a more intelligent person from the Corbynite wing of the party lead Labour to electoral success in 2024/5 ?


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16 Dec 2019, 5:55 pm

firemonkey wrote:
She's apparently got the support of senior party members. Can a more intelligent person from the Corbynite wing of the party lead Labour to electoral success in 2024/5 ?

Firstly probably not, and secondly Long-Bailey is certainly smarter than Corbyn but that’s a pretty low bar. Diane Abbott is the smartest of the Labour hard left by a long way but isn’t very popular with the public.

As I see it, there are three tribes of Labour:
- red Labour - socialists with socially liberal views. Corbyn, Abbott, Long-Bailey
- blue Labour - socialists with socially conservative views. These pretty much all lost their seats but Lisa Nandy seems to be emerging as their pick. Most of the “Labour Leave” and “Labour For A Deal” lot fall into this category.
- purple Labour (or yellow Labour) - centrists, moderates, and liberals united by their internationalism and opposition to socialism. Blair, Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn, Phillips, Creasy, Lammy.

Red Labour has failed under Foot and Corbyn and should be abandoned once again imo.

Blue Labour might present a path to a majority but represents everything I stand against. Would be good for the Lib Dems who would pick up a lot of votes and seats in London, Manchester, Bristol, and university towns.

Purple Labour is the only strand to win an election in over 60 years, including as recently as 2005. If done right this could eat the Lib Dems in the South, eat the Tories in London, and win back the seats lost to the Tories and SNP in 2015-19.



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17 Dec 2019, 3:18 pm

Cooper would be my choice.

Hope they dont go for Long Bailey. Been talk of Raynor and Philips too. I do like the latter but not sure she is leader material.



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17 Dec 2019, 4:08 pm

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Angela Rayner clears way for Rebecca Long-Bailey to run for Labour leader

Shadow education secretary will focus instead on becoming deputy leader


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ley-labour


Seems like Labour are hell bent on self destruction .


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17 Dec 2019, 4:54 pm

I’m a Labour Party member so I am able to vote for the next leader. I could see myself supporting Lisa Nandy. She comes across well and seems to understand what Labour needs to do to reconnect with the voters that they’ve alienated. I like Rebecca Long-Bailey too but her close association with Corbyn and McDonnell will be seized upon by the Tories who would portray her as ‘continuity Corbyn’.

Angela Rayner is ok but I’m not convinced she’s really leadership material. Keir Starmer gets mentioned a lot as a possible leader. I think he would make an excellent Home Secretary but I don’t think he would be the right choice to lead the party. Emily Thornberry is too tainted by her infamous ‘white van man’ tweet to be a serious contender. As for Jess Phillips, she needs to be kept as far away from the leadership as possible! At this very early stage, it’s between Long-Bailey and Nandy for me but I’ll see who decides to run and what platform they campaign on before making any firm decision.



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17 Dec 2019, 5:14 pm

I'm a Labour member too . Starmer is by far the most intelligent of the lot, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'd make the best leader.


This article suggests that Labour continuing to position itself as very left wing would not be a wise move. If true Long-Bailey would be a bad choice as leader.


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17 Dec 2019, 6:18 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
She's apparently got the support of senior party members. Can a more intelligent person from the Corbynite wing of the party lead Labour to electoral success in 2024/5 ?

Firstly probably not, and secondly Long-Bailey is certainly smarter than Corbyn but that’s a pretty low bar. Diane Abbott is the smartest of the Labour hard left by a long way but isn’t very popular with the public.

As I see it, there are three tribes of Labour:
- red Labour - socialists with socially liberal views. Corbyn, Abbott, Long-Bailey
- blue Labour - socialists with socially conservative views. These pretty much all lost their seats but Lisa Nandy seems to be emerging as their pick. Most of the “Labour Leave” and “Labour For A Deal” lot fall into this category.
- purple Labour (or yellow Labour) - centrists, moderates, and liberals united by their internationalism and opposition to socialism. Blair, Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn, Phillips, Creasy, Lammy.

Red Labour has failed under Foot and Corbyn and should be abandoned once again imo.

Blue Labour might present a path to a majority but represents everything I stand against. Would be good for the Lib Dems who would pick up a lot of votes and seats in London, Manchester, Bristol, and university towns.

Purple Labour is the only strand to win an election in over 60 years, including as recently as 2005. If done right this could eat the Lib Dems in the South, eat the Tories in London, and win back the seats lost to the Tories and SNP in 2015-19.


Are you actually f**king joking? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So pro bombing children, mass murder, apartheid and killing a million people is 'moderate'? That's cool.... :roll:


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18 Dec 2019, 1:37 am

Any chance Dan Jarvis might change his mind and go for it this time?



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18 Dec 2019, 3:00 am

I don't think he's an MP.

https://news.sky.com/story/would-be-may ... p-11301536


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18 Dec 2019, 5:52 am

firemonkey wrote:


He is still an MP. He was re-elected for Barnsley Central in last week’s election. I don’t think he’ll go for it as he has a young family and wants to prioritise them over leadership ambitions.