Illegal Immigrant crosses over to U.S. border by swimming

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04 Jan 2020, 3:29 pm

A man who was previously deported from the U.S. was arrested last month after swimming across the Detroit River into Michigan from Canada, according to officials. The incident took place on Dec. 13 when Sagajllo was arrested on Zug Island after he was discovered by security at U.S. Steel Corp.

Christopher Sagajllo, 56, of the United Kingdom, was charged in Detroit federal court during an appearance on Dec. 23 with unlawful re-entry to the United States. He was deported from Chicago in 2010 after overstaying his visa by seven years. It was not apparent why he wanted to return to the U.S.

After he was arrested by local police, Sagajllo was taken by Border Patrol Agents, who transported him to the Gibraltar Border Patrol Station for further processing.

Source: Man in wetsuit arrested after swimming from Canada across Detroit River to Michigan, feds say


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04 Jan 2020, 4:15 pm

We need a border wall along the northern border, and we will make Mexico pay for it too.



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04 Jan 2020, 4:59 pm

According to his arrest record:

Christopher Andrew SAGAJLLO is a 56-year-old male, native and citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, who last entered the United States at River Rouge, Michigan on December 13, 2019, without being admitted, inspected or paroled by an Immigration Officer.

On July 4, 2003, SAGAJLLO was admitted into the United States for a period of 3 months under the Visa Waiver Program.

On February 17, 2010, SAGAJLLO was encountered by the Immigration and Custom Enforcement in the DuPage County, Illinois Jail after being arrested by the Olympia Fields Police Department for multiple traffic violations. SAGAJLLO was processed as a Visa Waiver Program overstay, and on March 18, 2010, he was ordered from the United States by a designated immigration official. On May 3, 2010, SAGAJLLO was removed from the United States to the United Kingdom at Chicago, Illinois.

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So my question is why is Christopher Andrew SAGAJLLO entering the country in a clandestine manner. Seems strange! With all the tension surrounding the Middle East at the moment is there any connection. Is he part of a sleeper terrorist cell?

So there are fragments on the Internet that may or may not be connected.

Apparently he married a woman named Yilmaz in 1992. A search of Yilmaz could lead to Salih Yahya Gazali "Israfil" Yilmaz (29 September 1987 – 5 September 2016), who was a Turkish-Dutch Islamist militant, who fought in the Syrian Civil War from 2012 or 2013 until his death in 2016.

He apparently went by the "judgeredd" on a message board and discussed how to get out of a speeding ticket (speeding 51mph in 35 mph zone, no driving license, no insurance in 2008. "I did this because my name as given on my birth certificate says 'Krzysztof Andrzej Sagajllo'. The name on the ticket was CHRISTOPHER ANDREW SAGAJLLO. Two different things, yes? (The first iteration of it is Polish). The English is just a translation, not my legllay given name". By 30 October he was dealing with 3 tickets.

So is there any there-there? I don't know, just strange internet connections.


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04 Jan 2020, 5:38 pm

That's quite a feat.

Swimming in near ice-cold water. *shivers*


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04 Jan 2020, 5:48 pm

jimmy m wrote:
So my question is why is Christopher Andrew SAGAJLLO entering the country in a clandestine manner. Seems strange! With all the tension surrounding the Middle East at the moment is there any connection. Is he part of a sleeper terrorist cell?

So there are fragments on the Internet that may or may not be connected.

Apparently he married a woman named Yilmaz in 1992. A search of Yilmaz could lead to Salih Yahya Gazali "Israfil" Yilmaz (29 September 1987 – 5 September 2016), who was a Turkish-Dutch Islamist militant, who fought in the Syrian Civil War from 2012 or 2013 until his death in 2016.

This is the worst conspiracy theory ever.

Salih Yilmaz would have been five years old in 1992 so is obviously not his wife :roll:

A 56-year-old British man enters a country he called home for seven years and you immediately jump to "terrorist", with no evidence or even reasoning.

Occam's Razor. He wanted to enter the US because the US is a cool place which he called home for seven years. He probably wants to see friends or travel. He probably isn't allowed to due to his previous immigration offence. Crossing the border from Canada was the easiest way.

Millions of people enter the USA every year and almost none of them are terrorists.



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04 Jan 2020, 8:05 pm

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Salih Yilmaz would have been five years old in 1992 so is obviously not his wife :roll:


2020-56 = around 1964 as year of birth. So in 1992 he was around 28 years old. Prime marriageable age. Salih Yilmaz may have been a blood relative of the woman he married.

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This is the worst conspiracy theory ever.


I can agree on that. But then again, swimming through frigid waters into the U.S. in a wetsuit during the middle of winter is rather abnormal.


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04 Jan 2020, 8:09 pm

jimmy m wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Salih Yilmaz would have been five years old in 1992 so is obviously not his wife :roll:


2020-56 = around 1964 as year of birth. So in 1992 he was around 28 years old. Prime marriageable age.

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This is the worst conspiracy theory ever.


I can agree on that. But then again, swimming through frigid waters into the U.S. in a wetsuit during the middle of winter is rather abnormal.

He was marriageable age. The suspected "wife" you identified was not.

Is swimming through freezing waters really that abnormal when you consider the people who walk from Honduras to the USA in the middle of summer?



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04 Jan 2020, 8:29 pm

But I guess you could mix in the location where he swam to
Sagajllo was arrested on Zug Island after he was discovered by security at U.S. Steel Corp.

According to Wikipedia
In 2011, the Zug Island area was identified by Canadian scientists and Ontario's Ministry of Natural Resources as the source of mysterious rumblings and vibrations that have plagued hundreds of area residents with cyclical vibrations reportedly being felt in the ground up to fifty miles (eighty kilometres) away.

The city of River Rouge reported in the Star that it cannot afford to spend any more money on investigating the hum. They claim the City Council had already spent over $1 million to help Windsor and Ontario find the source of the noise. However, they say it likely comes from the steel mill facilities on the island.

As of April 2013, a Canadian scientist is using sound-level meters and a portable "pentangular array" of cameras and microphones to try to precisely identify the source of the sound, in order to know whom exactly to ask to fix it.

The results of the 2013 study were released on May 23, 2014. Although contemporaneous news reports claim the study confirmed that Zug Island was the source of the hum, the report's findings actually state "the most probable source of the Hum points well to the South of Zug Island. The bulk of our observations from both stations do not support the hypothesis that the source of the Hum emanates from Zug Island."

Due to its location and relative security—the island is off-limits to the public for the most part (cameras are prohibited on the premises so pictures of the area, except from the outside, are rare)—many urban legends exist regarding the island, the two most popular being that the island is home to a correctional facility or prison and that parts of the movie RoboCop were filmed there (due to its mention in the movie as the location). Neither claim is true as the island is not the location of any law enforcement or corrections facility. The steel mill shots in the movie were filmed at the old Wheeling-Pittsburgh Steel Corp.'s Monessen Works in Pennsylvania.

So just like the Area 51 conspiracy, there is a conspiracy about Zug Island.

The whole idea that a conspiracy is behind the Hum — the noise was first reported sometime in 2010 or 2011 — has made for some good "fake news," as some might put it. A show on the Syfy channel spent a big part of an hour looking into the Windsor Hum and whether the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) — a former U.S. Air Force program, now run by the University of Alaska Fairbanks, that contains "the world's most capable high-power, high-frequency transmitter for study of the ionosphere" — has something to do with the noise.

HAARP is located in Gakona, Alaska, some 3,658 miles (5,887 kilometers) away. But, never mind.

Filmmaker Adam Makarenko has been chipping away on a crowdfunded feature for years — working title, "Zug Island, the Story of The Windsor Hum" — and promises, in an email, that "many things will come to light."

The fact is, though, there's a huge steel mill with lots of heavy machinery on Zug Island. Tons of machines, churning away day and night sometimes. Crushing and burning and ... making steel. Maybe all that heavy machinery has something to do with it?


Source: What's Going on With Detroit's Mysterious Zug Island?

So just like there were plans to storm Area 51 a few months ago, maybe he was storming a mysterious restricted area called Zug Island.


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04 Jan 2020, 8:35 pm

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He was marriageable age. The suspected "wife" you identified was not.

How do you know that unless you know how old she was. Salih Yilmaz may have been her younger brother (or perhaps even her son).

It is easy to devise conspiracy theories but they should be integrated with probability theory. So overall I would give the likelihood to this theory as <1% and the storming of Zug Island at a little bit higher percentage.

Still there may be an interesting backstory here.
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He wanted to enter the US because the US is a cool place which he called home for seven years.
Where was he during the other 49 years of his life? The U.K., Canada, ???, were they not also cool places to call home!


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05 Jan 2020, 5:54 am

jimmy m wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
He was marriageable age. The suspected "wife" you identified was not.

How do you know that unless you know how old she was. Salih Yilmaz may have been her younger brother (or perhaps even her son).

It is easy to devise conspiracy theories but they should be integrated with probability theory. So overall I would give the likelihood to this theory as <1% and the storming of Zug Island at a little bit higher percentage.

Still there may be an interesting backstory here.
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He wanted to enter the US because the US is a cool place which he called home for seven years.
Where was he during the other 49 years of his life? The U.K., Canada, ???, were they not also cool places to call home!

Sorry, I misread. Thought you were arguing that Salih was his wife. If Salih was a man then of course you weren’t, even allowing for the age difference. But “he married someone who had the same common surname as an Islamist” is like accusing Tom Cruise of being a Christian fundamentalist because he married Penelope Cruz, who has the same surname as Ted Cruz. Could Julian Castro be a communist because he has the same surname as Fidel? Is Scottish singer Shirley Manson a member of the Manson family? Yilmaz is the most common Turkish surname because Turkish people chose their own surnames when the concept was introduced only a few generations ago, they tended to choose positive ones, and it means “unbeatable” or “brave”.

Fair enough if you don’t actually believe this stuff, but it’s misleading to research your own conspiracies and then share them without comment if you don’t think they’re worthwhile.



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05 Jan 2020, 4:23 pm

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Yilmaz is the most common Turkish surname because Turkish people chose their own surnames when the concept was introduced only a few generations ago, they tended to choose positive ones, and it means “unbeatable” or “brave”.


Thanks for the info.

IMHO when Christopher Andrew SAGAJLLO swam to the U.S., it took some planning and expense.

What was the temperature the night of 13 December 2019 around Detroit? It was 30-32 degrees F.

In order to swim the frigid waters he would need several things. Such as a course in scuba training, a wetsuit but not just any wetsuit, a full body cold water wetsuit, flippers and snorkel and mask. What is the cost?
A Stearns 1595 Ice Rescue Suit is $567. A good set of dive fins run around $100. Scuba mask and snorkel - maybe another $100. An Advanced Open Water Certification Course could run $500. So the total cost might run around $1300. Now he might have gone cheap by buying used equipment or renting the equipment from a dive shop.

So did Sagajllo plan on illegally entering the U.S. or was his actual goal to enter Zug Island. There are a lot better crossing points along the Canadian border. If his goal was to enter the U.S. why did he land in a restricted area where his chances of detection were significantly greater.

Now I considered the fact that the currents might be strong on the Detroit River and that he intended to cross upstream but because of the currents were forced down to Zug Island. One fishing website indicated that the rate of the currents in the Detroit River normally varies between 1-3 feet per second or between 0.6 to 1.8 knots. Rip current occurs at around 2 knots and when currents increase to 3 knots, it is too dangerous to dive. The width of the Detroit River separating the U.S from Canada is around 2800 feet at Zug Island or a little over a half a mile. So it is possible that Sagajllo did not take into account the strong currents and was driven onto Zug Island. The width of the Detroit River separating the U.S from Canada is around 2800 feet at Zug Island or a little over a half a mile.

One of the problems of swimming the Detroit River during the winter is the danger of hypothermia. In water 32.5 degrees Fahrenheit or colder, you might not survive more than 15-to-45 minutes. You'll undergo shock within the first two minutes and some functional disability before 30 minutes, according to the United States Coast Guard. Now wearing the proper wetsuit might allow him to make the swim, he would still be very vulnerable unless he could dry himself quickly and change into warm clothing. He would have to take this with him. When investigators search the area where they discover Sagajllo, they found the suit, gloves and several plastic bags left behind. So the plastic bags may have contained his change of clothing.

It is a wonder that he did not kill himself during the process.


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