Obtaining Christian exemption to avoid getting Real ID
I don't know for sure whether Real ID is the mark of the beast or not, I have arguments both ways. So, in order to be save rather than sorry, I would rather avoid getting Real ID. Is there a way to get Christian exemption in order to avoid it? Has anyone tried this?
I have dual citizenship of US and Russia. Unfortunately, I already had US passport that has a chip on it. But I lost my passport three weeks ago (no it wasn't on purpose; If I wanted to get rid of it I would have mailed it back rather than lose it, but, but pure accident, I lost it). My Russian passports don't have chips in them, at least not so far. I also have California ID -- thats NOT real ID yet. I have birth certificate and I have social security card, both of which I got several years ago.
Given this information, do you have any suggestions as to how can I use Christian exemption to either get a new US passport *without* the chip and/or continue to use state ID *without* the chip?
Thank you.
In my humble opinion I don't think that RealID is the mark of the beast. Why don't you do a bit more research into "the mark of the beast".
I know there a lot of people who think it is literal and I can see how you might think that only those with a valid ID could have the freedom to "buy and sell" like it says in Revelation, but I really think it's figurative. It's what you have in your heart. What you are aligned with. What your goals are. Not some number that others assign to you like a chip in a passport or a social security number.
Individuals decide whether they align themselves with whatever the "beast" is or with what God is. That's not something that can be decided for you or be forced upon you.
Take prisoners in the Nazi concentration camps. They were all forced to wear a symbol and branded with a tattoo. That didn't make them less of what they were. That didn't change what was in their hearts. That didn't mean that they suddenly didn't believe in God if that had done so before. Or if you were Italian and someone thought you were Romani and made you wear a brown triangle, that didn't mean that you had become Romani.
Granted an id chip on an external book isn't the same as something you are branded with or made to wear, but even a brand on your skin or symbol sewn on your clothes can't cause you to give your devotion to something that you do not love or worship.
So in short, I am ok with ID cards, numbers and chips associated with my legal status as a citizen.
*edited for spelling errors
I know there a lot of people who think it is literal and I can see how you might think that only those with a valid ID could have the freedom to "buy and sell" like it says in Revelation, but I really think it's figurative. It's what you have in your heart. What you are aligned with. What your goals are. Not some number that others assign to you like a chip in a passport or a social security number.
Individuals decide whether they align themselves with whatever the "beast" is or with what God is. That's not something that can be decided for you or be forced upon you.
Take prisoners in the Nazi concentration camps. They were all forced to wear a symbol and branded with a tattoo. That didn't make them less of what they were. That didn't change what was in their hearts. That didn't mean that they suddenly didn't believe in God if that had done so before. Or if you were Italian and someone thought you were Romani and made you wear a brown triangle, that didn't mean that you had become Romani.
Granted an id chip on an external book isn't the same as something you are branded with or made to wear, but even a brand on your skin or symbol sewn on your clothes can't cause you to give your devotion to something that you do not love or worship.
So in short, I am ok with ID cards, numbers and chips associated with my legal status as a citizen.
*edited for spelling errors
I can see what you are saying. But, at the same time, if it is only in your heart, you can repent of it, but if it is something branded onto you then you can't. That, plus also you can't be forced to change your heart yet the Bible says people are forced to take the mark.
In any case, since the prophecy is not that clear cut, it is better to be safe than sorry. So if it is figurative yet I avoid literal mark anyway, I won't go to hell for it. But if it happens to be literal yet I take it thinking that its figurative, then yes I will go to hell. So its better to avoid it just to be safe rather than sorry.
Just had another thought. I was baptised as a baby into The Church of England. That's the only time I've ever been to a Church of England service.
Am I always marked as a member of the church of England? Is there no leeway for me to change? It was given to me against my will. I haven't actually chosen to live my life in accord with their ways regardless of the symbolism place on me.
I still think we get to choose whether we follow "The beast" or not regardless of any visual external labels given to us.
Am I always marked as a member of the church of England? Is there no leeway for me to change? It was given to me against my will. I haven't actually chosen to live my life in accord with their ways regardless of the symbolism place on me.
I still think we get to choose whether we follow "The beast" or not regardless of any visual external labels given to us.
Unless you convert to a different religion, I think so.
I never baptised my children, I always thought one should be old enough to understand what they're signing up for.
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Am I always marked as a member of the church of England? Is there no leeway for me to change? It was given to me against my will. I haven't actually chosen to live my life in accord with their ways regardless of the symbolism place on me.
I still think we get to choose whether we follow "The beast" or not regardless of any visual external labels given to us.
Getting baptized isn't enough to get saved but taking the mark is enough to get condemned. The idea is that it is easier to get condemned than to get saved (Jesus articulated it in Matt 7:13,14 when He said wide is the gate that leads to disraction and narrow is the gate that leads to life). That, plus also there is no such thing as "once saved always saved" -- Jesus talked repeatedly about "enduring to the end"; on the other hand, there is such a thing as irrevocably losing salvation, as mentioned in Hebews 6 and Hebrews 10.
In light of this, the question "what about little kids that would get baptised" its a moot point. A much better question, though, is "what would happen to little kids that would take the mark of the beast".
As far as the "kids that would take the mark of the beast" I have been wondering about it for quite some time. My only theory is that antichrists policy would be not to give a mark before certain age. Just like in Russia you have to be 16 to get a passport; so if one of the roles of the mark is similar to the roles of the passport, it would make sense that antichrist would impose similar age requirenments for people to take the mark .
The mark if the beast is something which is on ones right hand (I think it was the right) or ones forehead that can not be removed. This could be an invisible tatoo of a barcode that the EU and others have been working on a few years ago, or it could be a microchip in the skin of the hand, or it could be both. Note that the hand also includes the wrist, but when these little grane of rice sized microchips have been tried, they have to be inserted in the skin inbetween the thumb and the first finger. There are isues with these experiments because these devices use batteries which can cause poisioning if they are disturbed or if they malfunction which can leave a nasty sore if they do.
I believe the card ID is a forerunner. The technology to go further then the card is already here and has been tried. Most of us know about the tiny grane of rice implants. They are using them in dogs and cats and certain companies have already haf their employees impkanted with them.
I mentioned invisible tatoos. I saw two interesting things. One was an invisible ink type stamp, which was said to be used to trace meat if any meat was found to have been sold and was not fit to eat. But also, looking at these patents and new inventions I saw that experiments had successfully een completed with an invisible ink which is detected with ordinary shop scanners if in barcode form, which can be placed onto the skin and last 50 or more years. Now where better to use an invisible barcode then the forehead?
Now in the Bible it says not to take the mark of the beast. Why? Because God has reserved your forhead and hand for His mark.
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You don't know that. Its quite possible that their motivation is some combination of both, and you can't really say which one is more unless you read their mind. It would be perfectly logical if the reason that you don't want to hear outweighs but they only articulate the reason you do want to hear since they aren't stupid.
All of this is besides the point though. The point is that Bible says I would go to hell if I take the mark of the beast. Since I don't know for sure what it is, I would rather be safe than sorry.
I still feel like being assigned a random id and having your details stored for identification purposes isn't the same as indicating ones alliance with any entity.
To be fair I was a bit paranoid about getting a passport when the UK introduced the new chip type, not because of any "mark", but because i didnt like the government having so much info on me. It seemed excessive, i even remember complaining to a friend about it, but now I have the new style passport it simply means I can put it in the scanner at the airport and get properly verified as me when I travel.
Why would the "Real ID" have the "Mark of the Beast?" Why would God pick this very entity? God has so many other choices; why would He pick the "Real ID"? I don't see the sense of that.
I do know----that if you don't get the "Real ID," that you won't be able to travel anywhere by plane after October of 2020. And you certainly won't be able to travel to any foreign country.
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