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Do you follow the Cult of the Virgin Mary?
Absolutely! 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
I think it has some merit. 11%  11%  [ 3 ]
I don't care / I don't know. 19%  19%  [ 5 ]
I have serious doubts. 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Absolutely Not! 59%  59%  [ 16 ]
Total votes : 27

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26 Feb 2020, 9:34 am

Cult of the Virgin Mary

More than 500 years after the death of Jesus, Pope Gregory I (540–604) draws an image of the Virgin Mary and Mary Magdalene. The representation of Medieval women in history could be said to be colored by the iconography of the Virgin Mary and of Mary Magdalene. This in turn could have its gestation in the way the disciplined and reforming Pope Gregory I created a mythological image around Mary Magdalene. He drew her as a the repentant prostitute, warding off a spiritual plague to fight off an actual plague, the backdrop to that period in European history.

At the same time, Gregory elevated the Virgin Mary to a new high status, that of venerated virginity. So the two Marys together, forged a vision of womanhood, the sexuality of Mary Magdalene, her corruption and shame, followed by her repentance and forgiveness, to the absolute purity of the Virgin Mary. By doing this Pope Gregory took power away from women in the church. He reduced both of them by describing them in terms of their sexuality. They were no more than that, each in her own way to be considered a sexual vessel, one temptation, the other veneration. Thus it was that priests became celibate, women were excluded because they offered temptation, the only women was one who was untouchable, the Virgin Mary.

Pope Gregory set in place the image of Mary, an image that the church would not waver from for the next thousand plus years. He had interpreted the Bible in a manner that would color how Christianity unfolded itself throughout Europe and thus alter the perceived role of women from the 6th century onward.

The Mythologizing of Mary

Pope Gregory's reading of the role of Mary would be repeated by monks and priests. They would weave in to the Gospels his readings as if they were Gospel themselves soon forgetting that it was myth. The words of Gregory soon became a reality. The birth of the cult of the Virgin Mary had begun. She became a pure and perfect form of womanhood, an expectation of perfection within the female form. At the same time alongside was a reminder of another Mary, the harlot, the temptress, forgiven by man and made whole again by the power of man.

Origins of the Cult of the Virgin Mary

In the lands of Jesus's birth, Mary the Virgin had been a symbol of love and adoration since the earliest times. Saint Luke, the sensitive Gospel writer is thought in Byzantine to be an artist and painted a picture of the Virgin. It is believed he painted a half-length portrait from life of the Virgin holding Jesus in her arms on the Mountain of Jerusalem. The portrait is then thought to have been given to Theophilus to whom Luke had dedicated the Acts of the Apostles. What then became of this image? It is thought that Eudokia (580-612), wife of Emperor Theodosius II (575-641), acquired the picture when she made a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. It was places in a sanctuary near the banks of the Bospherus in Constantinople. Here it was given the title "Hodegetria", one who points the way and many images show the hand of the virgin pointing.

A tradition tells us that the image was captured during the Crusades and brought back to the West and copied in all manner of forms. From East to West the Cult of the Virgin Mary was established.

The Cult of the Virgin Mary developed

Feast days abounded, churches committed to her, flowers dedicated to her, the lily, iris and rose. Shrines, official and unofficial were dedicated to her, perhaps one of the most well known include the shrine at Walsingham in Norfolk which became a huge pilgrimage site.

Source:
Intriguing History: Cult of the Virgin Mary



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26 Feb 2020, 10:06 am

This sounds like very devout catholicism not really a cult.Catholics have been praying to Mary for millenniums.


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26 Feb 2020, 10:13 am

vermontsavant wrote:
This sounds like very devout catholicism not really a cult.Catholics have been praying to Mary for millenniums.
It could be argued that (1) devout Catholicism includes the Cult of Mary, and that (2) the Cult of Mary is certainly not a Christian belief.
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26 Feb 2020, 10:24 am

I checked "I don't care" because live and let live. If it empowers someone to be a better human being, then I find better ways to waste my energy than agruing with them. Though, despite (or maybe because of) growing up in very Mary-centered religious culture, it never appealed to me.


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26 Feb 2020, 10:30 am

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... If it empowers someone to be a better human being, then I find better ways to waste my energy than arguing with them...
Good point. You may as well argue with a smoker about the harmfulness of second-hand smoke.



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26 Feb 2020, 10:57 am

Fnord wrote:
Cult of the Virgin Mary

More than 500 years after the death of Jesus, Pope Gregory I (540–604) draws an image of the Virgin Mary and Mary Magdalene. The representation of Medieval women in history could be said to be colored by the iconography of the Virgin Mary and of Mary Magdalene. This in turn could have its gestation in the way the disciplined and reforming Pope Gregory I created a mythological image around Mary Magdalene. He drew her as a the repentant prostitute, warding off a spiritual plague to fight off an actual plague, the backdrop to that period in European history.

At the same time, Gregory elevated the Virgin Mary to a new high status, that of venerated virginity. So the two Marys together, forged a vision of womanhood, the sexuality of Mary Magdalene, her corruption and shame, followed by her repentance and forgiveness, to the absolute purity of the Virgin Mary. By doing this Pope Gregory took power away from women in the church. He reduced both of them by describing them in terms of their sexuality. They were no more than that, each in her own way to be considered a sexual vessel, one temptation, the other veneration. Thus it was that priests became celibate, women were excluded because they offered temptation, the only women was one who was untouchable, the Virgin Mary.

Pope Gregory set in place the image of Mary, an image that the church would not waver from for the next thousand plus years. He had interpreted the Bible in a manner that would color how Christianity unfolded itself throughout Europe and thus alter the perceived role of women from the 6th century onward.

The Mythologizing of Mary

Pope Gregory's reading of the role of Mary would be repeated by monks and priests. They would weave in to the Gospels his readings as if they were Gospel themselves soon forgetting that it was myth. The words of Gregory soon became a reality. The birth of the cult of the Virgin Mary had begun. She became a pure and perfect form of womanhood, an expectation of perfection within the female form. At the same time alongside was a reminder of another Mary, the harlot, the temptress, forgiven by man and made whole again by the power of man.

Origins of the Cult of the Virgin Mary

In the lands of Jesus's birth, Mary the Virgin had been a symbol of love and adoration since the earliest times. Saint Luke, the sensitive Gospel writer is thought in Byzantine to be an artist and painted a picture of the Virgin. It is believed he painted a half-length portrait from life of the Virgin holding Jesus in her arms on the Mountain of Jerusalem. The portrait is then thought to have been given to Theophilus to whom Luke had dedicated the Acts of the Apostles. What then became of this image? It is thought that Eudokia (580-612), wife of Emperor Theodosius II (575-641), acquired the picture when she made a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. It was places in a sanctuary near the banks of the Bospherus in Constantinople. Here it was given the title "Hodegetria", one who points the way and many images show the hand of the virgin pointing.

A tradition tells us that the image was captured during the Crusades and brought back to the West and copied in all manner of forms. From East to West the Cult of the Virgin Mary was established.

The Cult of the Virgin Mary developed

Feast days abounded, churches committed to her, flowers dedicated to her, the lily, iris and rose. Shrines, official and unofficial were dedicated to her, perhaps one of the most well known include the shrine at Walsingham in Norfolk which became a huge pilgrimage site.

Source:
Intriguing History: Cult of the Virgin Mary

I’m ignoring your stupid poll. Yes I will respond to the ahistorical stuff you said on the thread that provoked this, but I’m not responding to your blasphemies here. If you want to dig a deeper eternal hole for yourself, so be it. My words won’t help you, only prayer will, I pray for your conversion and repentance, and will offer up prayers of reparation for these blasphemies.

No if you’ll excuse me, I have an Ash Wednesday mass to attend, I’ll be back later.

Lord have mercy on your soul.


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26 Feb 2020, 11:02 am

The words of Jesus are not blasphemous lies.

Everything else I posted is an historical FACT.

Deal with it.



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26 Feb 2020, 7:16 pm

I have found the writings of Karen Armstrong and Bart Ehrman to be useful in understanding the historical basis, i.e. what is factual about the development of Christian practice. I haven't read much about Mary cults, but the OP information is consistent with what I have read in regards to the use of political and/or political/religious impact on Christianity.

I agree with magz that each person has to find his/her own way and that arguing about it generally just stokes the fires of anger.


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26 Feb 2020, 7:50 pm

This is interesting.

My son’s best nurse who is no longer working for him (Irene ...she taught him to walk and did many other things better than anyone alive could have done for him and me) prays to Mary I suppose.


She told me about her beliefs already. She has a picture with the statue that is her main display picture for Whatsapp.

My son’s first name being Isa which means Jesus ....she found that interesting so she went over beliefs and stuff with me.

So that’s how I know.

She prays to virgin mary and offers stuff and whatever else. But yeah she is a really good human being And veryyyy religious as she told me... and a very tough life so her religiousness helped her get through things.


But then again she said she realized after working with many clients over the years that she always had Aspergers undiagnosed, so the niceness and integrity might come straight from that.


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26 Feb 2020, 7:54 pm

I don't believe in the "Cult of the Virgin Mary"---but I wouldn't deny my friendship to someone who does.

As long as somebody doesn't shove religion down my throat, I am okay with religious people.



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26 Feb 2020, 7:55 pm

I'm Anglican. I don't pray to Mary at all. To be honest, I'd never heard of the concept.


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26 Feb 2020, 8:02 pm

I find Mary Magdalene to have been an interesting person, too.

She's no longer a prostitute in the revisionist view of things. She is more like a staunch comrade of Jesus.

Jesus took her away from her loneliness.



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26 Feb 2020, 8:12 pm

I hadn’t heard of her^


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26 Feb 2020, 8:16 pm

Since to my great disappointment some people who should be smarter are actually believing this garbage: 3rd Century prayer to the Mother of God


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26 Feb 2020, 8:18 pm

Greatshield17 wrote:
Since to my great disappointment some people who should be smarter are actually believing this garbage: 3rd Century prayer to the Mother of God



Doesn't that just confirm the original post? I dont see anything to contradict it, maybe Im missing something and didnt read carefully enough...I dont think either of you are contradicting the other


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26 Feb 2020, 8:20 pm

Oh my bad. I guess you mean the time period/origins of praying to Mary are erroneous.


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