Comparative Politics - British Conservativism 2010-2020
In this thread:
- Why David Cameron was a secret liberal.
- Why Theresa May was an SJW.
- Why Boris Johnson is basically the same as Bernie Sanders.
- Why all of those are different things.
Since 2010, Britain has been governed by the Conservative Party (mostly with various types of support from other parties). Although they're often reduced to their positions on Europe, each of the three Prime Ministers in this time has taken a different approach to domestic politics, and I will use those approaches to illustrate different forms of opposition to Conservativism.
What is Conservativism?
Well, it means a lot of different things at different times to different people. Trying to unify those definitions is difficult. But there are two approaches we could take to understand it.
First, as in my previous thread, let's take a look at the Wikipedia definition:
This philosophy is rarely fashionable, and tends to be preferred by older and less educated voters. Sometimes that coalition is enough to win, but sometimes it isn't.
In the UK, Tony Blair swept to power in 1997 with a huge win for the Labour Party. He then won elections in 2001 and 2005 against increasingly a conservative Conservative Party. Following the 2005 election, the Conservatives chose David Cameron as their new leader.
Cameron's four predecessors had all failed to win as conservatives, so he decided to re-invent the party. Cameron called himself a "modern compassionate Conservative" and a "liberal Conservative".
What is liberalism? As per Wikipedia and my Bernie Sanders thread:
(There is also a Wikipedia article on liberal conservativism that people might find interesting, but I didn't think it worth quoting)
Cameron is certainly not a true liberal. When in coalition with the Liberal Democrats, Cameron opposed liberal democratic reforms, and his governments had poor records on civil rights, freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Nonetheless, Cameron blends liberalism and conservativism. As well as dramatically shrinking the size of the state, Cameron supported social reforms like gay marriage. He was a supporter of antifascist groups and multilateralism in international affairs. Regardless of how successful or genuine you might perceive this branding to be, Cameron styled himself as a liberal.
Theresa May
Cameron was succeeded by Theresa May. May was very much not a liberal. Although she was an advocate of same-sex marriage in government, she had a poor record on LGBT rights earlier in her career, and while Home Secretary was responsible for many of the most illiberal policies of the Cameron government, such as the Snooper's Charter, the "Hostile Environment" for immigrants, and the attempted ban on pornography.
All the same, May did not fancy herself as a conventional Conservative. Yes, the party was a huge part of her life, but she wouldn't win an election as a fire and brimstone Tory. William Hague was ideologically similar to May, but while leader of the party he played up his conservative credentials in order to differentiate himself from Blair. It didn't work.
So, in her first speech as Prime Minister, May didn't play as a conservative. She didn't play as a liberal. She played as a progressive.
That means fighting against the burning injustice that, if you’re born poor, you will die on average 9 years earlier than others.
If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white.
If you’re a white, working-class boy, you’re less likely than anybody else in Britain to go to university.
If you’re at a state school, you’re less likely to reach the top professions than if you’re educated privately.
If you’re a woman, you will earn less than a man. If you suffer from mental health problems, there’s not enough help to hand.
If you’re young, you’ll find it harder than ever before to own your own home.
These are not the words of someone who supports tradition and authority above all else. These are not the words of a conservative. They could easily be the words of the much-maligned Social Justice Warrior.
Now there is no contradiction between being a liberal and being a progressive. Many politicians - Hillary Clinton, Justin Trudeau, Emmanuel Macron in a good mood - do both. But May did not have Cameron's liberal obsession with shrinking the state, and indeed in some areas she would hand out new money. Her brand of conservativism was too paternalistic on areas like the internet and immigration to be considered liberal conservativism. She spoke scornfully when she spoke about internationalism. Yet she still wanted to tackle inequality, both class-based and otherwise. Her government set out to make it easier to declare your transgender status, including for non-binary people. She went further than her predecessors to recognise minor religious holidays.
Again, you could question May's real commitment to progressive ideals. But as with Cameron, they were certainly there in her rhetoric at the very least.
Now we come onto the third and current Conservative Prime Minister of the decade.
Boris Johnson
Boris Johnson views himself as a liberal. This is difficult to justify. Mr Johnson flouts established norms at every opportunity. He illegally shut down the House of Commons. He has proposed Parliamentary scrutiny of judges, an affront to basic judicial independence. He has disdain for the international order and for business and enterprise. He has booted May's gender reforms into the long grass. Moreover, he has overseen a huge increase in spending, even firing his Chancellor (for the first time in 27 years) and replacing him with a slavish drone in his thirties.
It is through this spending that Johnson seeks to differentiate himself from Thatcher and co. When accused of being far-right over the illegal shutdown of Parliament, he pointed to his spending programmes as evidence that he was actually a liberal. But big spending doesn't prove you are a liberal - it proves that you support big spending. In his defence, early in his first spell in Parliament Johnson was one of the most liberal voters in the Conservative Party. His critics point to an even earlier period where Johnson routinely made unsavoury and occasionally racist comments in newspaper and magazine columns. He famously said that his only conviction was a speeding ticket.
While Cameron's conservativism was informed by liberalism, and May's conservativism was informed by progressivism, Johnson's conservativism is informed by social democracy - sceptical of the free market and happy to unbalance the books if it wins votes. He's also the one of the three with the least commitment to genuine conservativism, allowing him to flirt with populism and authoritarianism to a far greater degree than Cameron or May could have stomached. And while even May recognised the benefits of a close relationship with the EU, Johnson has expressed a preference for an Australian-style no-strings relationship - fine if you live on the other side of the world, but unusual if you live next door. In short, if Cameron is a liberal and May is a SJW, then Johnson is the "dirtbag left", the Bernie Bros who want universal healthcare but think feminism is stupid and liberals are worse than Trump.
(I don't think "dirtbag left" is a good description of Sanders himself or most of his supporters for that matter, but it is a label that some of his supporters coined for themselves to show their disdain for political civility).
Flaws with this approach
None of the three politicians selected are good examples of the anti-conservative philosophies I have attributed to them. You shouldn't use David Cameron as an exemplar liberal for example. However, for illustrative purposes I think their relative approaches help bring out the difference in the philosophies.
This approach ignores much of the diversity in modern conservative thought. For example, there is no consideration of all forms of genuine social conservativism which is at best sceptical of LGBT rights, opposes women's rights, and prioritises the nation state and the nuclear family. Similarly there is no examination of fascist, populist, libertarian, or religious conservativism, which are not particularly relevant in a UK context but are in other countries.
To Conclude
In this post I've used the last three Conservative leaders as a way of distinguishing between different facets of anti-conservativism, as well as using anti-conservative ideologies to illustrate the differences between those political leaders.
Liberalism believes in giving people freedom in order to let them improve their lives. This is illustrated by David Cameron's commitment to austerity.
Progressivism believes in addressing social inequalities. This is illustrated by Theresa May's stated commitment to addressing social inequalities.
Social democracy believes in solving problems by throwing money at them. This is illustrated by Boris Johnson's blank chequebook.
In all three cases, conservativism is by far the dominant ideology. But the shades of conservativism are markedly different (particularly in Johnson's case) and help us understand variety within modern conservativism as well as within opposition to conservativism.
- Why David Cameron was a secret liberal.
- Why Theresa May was an SJW.
- Why Boris Johnson is basically the same as Bernie Sanders.
- Why all of those are different things.
Since 2010, Britain has been governed by the Conservative Party (mostly with various types of support from other parties). Although they're often reduced to their positions on Europe, each of the three Prime Ministers in this time has taken a different approach to domestic politics, and I will use those approaches to illustrate different forms of opposition to Conservativism.
What is Conservativism?
Well, it means a lot of different things at different times to different people. Trying to unify those definitions is difficult. But there are two approaches we could take to understand it.
First, as in my previous thread, let's take a look at the Wikipedia definition:
This philosophy is rarely fashionable, and tends to be preferred by older and less educated voters. Sometimes that coalition is enough to win, but sometimes it isn't.
In the UK, Tony Blair swept to power in 1997 with a huge win for the Labour Party. He then won elections in 2001 and 2005 against increasingly a conservative Conservative Party. Following the 2005 election, the Conservatives chose David Cameron as their new leader.
Cameron's four predecessors had all failed to win as conservatives, so he decided to re-invent the party. Cameron called himself a "modern compassionate Conservative" and a "liberal Conservative".
What is liberalism? As per Wikipedia and my Bernie Sanders thread:
(There is also a Wikipedia article on liberal conservativism that people might find interesting, but I didn't think it worth quoting)
Cameron is certainly not a true liberal. When in coalition with the Liberal Democrats, Cameron opposed liberal democratic reforms, and his governments had poor records on civil rights, freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Nonetheless, Cameron blends liberalism and conservativism. As well as dramatically shrinking the size of the state, Cameron supported social reforms like gay marriage. He was a supporter of antifascist groups and multilateralism in international affairs. Regardless of how successful or genuine you might perceive this branding to be, Cameron styled himself as a liberal.
Theresa May
Cameron was succeeded by Theresa May. May was very much not a liberal. Although she was an advocate of same-sex marriage in government, she had a poor record on LGBT rights earlier in her career, and while Home Secretary was responsible for many of the most illiberal policies of the Cameron government, such as the Snooper's Charter, the "Hostile Environment" for immigrants, and the attempted ban on pornography.
All the same, May did not fancy herself as a conventional Conservative. Yes, the party was a huge part of her life, but she wouldn't win an election as a fire and brimstone Tory. William Hague was ideologically similar to May, but while leader of the party he played up his conservative credentials in order to differentiate himself from Blair. It didn't work.
So, in her first speech as Prime Minister, May didn't play as a conservative. She didn't play as a liberal. She played as a progressive.
That means fighting against the burning injustice that, if you’re born poor, you will die on average 9 years earlier than others.
If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white.
If you’re a white, working-class boy, you’re less likely than anybody else in Britain to go to university.
If you’re at a state school, you’re less likely to reach the top professions than if you’re educated privately.
If you’re a woman, you will earn less than a man. If you suffer from mental health problems, there’s not enough help to hand.
If you’re young, you’ll find it harder than ever before to own your own home.
These are not the words of someone who supports tradition and authority above all else. These are not the words of a conservative. They could easily be the words of the much-maligned Social Justice Warrior.
Now there is no contradiction between being a liberal and being a progressive. Many politicians - Hillary Clinton, Justin Trudeau, Emmanuel Macron in a good mood - do both. But May did not have Cameron's liberal obsession with shrinking the state, and indeed in some areas she would hand out new money. Her brand of conservativism was too paternalistic on areas like the internet and immigration to be considered liberal conservativism. She spoke scornfully when she spoke about internationalism. Yet she still wanted to tackle inequality, both class-based and otherwise. Her government set out to make it easier to declare your transgender status, including for non-binary people. She went further than her predecessors to recognise minor religious holidays.
Again, you could question May's real commitment to progressive ideals. But as with Cameron, they were certainly there in her rhetoric at the very least.
Now we come onto the third and current Conservative Prime Minister of the decade.
Boris Johnson
Boris Johnson views himself as a liberal. This is difficult to justify. Mr Johnson flouts established norms at every opportunity. He illegally shut down the House of Commons. He has proposed Parliamentary scrutiny of judges, an affront to basic judicial independence. He has disdain for the international order and for business and enterprise. He has booted May's gender reforms into the long grass. Moreover, he has overseen a huge increase in spending, even firing his Chancellor (for the first time in 27 years) and replacing him with a slavish drone in his thirties.
It is through this spending that Johnson seeks to differentiate himself from Thatcher and co. When accused of being far-right over the illegal shutdown of Parliament, he pointed to his spending programmes as evidence that he was actually a liberal. But big spending doesn't prove you are a liberal - it proves that you support big spending. In his defence, early in his first spell in Parliament Johnson was one of the most liberal voters in the Conservative Party. His critics point to an even earlier period where Johnson routinely made unsavoury and occasionally racist comments in newspaper and magazine columns. He famously said that his only conviction was a speeding ticket.
While Cameron's conservativism was informed by liberalism, and May's conservativism was informed by progressivism, Johnson's conservativism is informed by social democracy - sceptical of the free market and happy to unbalance the books if it wins votes. He's also the one of the three with the least commitment to genuine conservativism, allowing him to flirt with populism and authoritarianism to a far greater degree than Cameron or May could have stomached. And while even May recognised the benefits of a close relationship with the EU, Johnson has expressed a preference for an Australian-style no-strings relationship - fine if you live on the other side of the world, but unusual if you live next door. In short, if Cameron is a liberal and May is a SJW, then Johnson is the "dirtbag left", the Bernie Bros who want universal healthcare but think feminism is stupid and liberals are worse than Trump.
(I don't think "dirtbag left" is a good description of Sanders himself or most of his supporters for that matter, but it is a label that some of his supporters coined for themselves to show their disdain for political civility).
Flaws with this approach
None of the three politicians selected are good examples of the anti-conservative philosophies I have attributed to them. You shouldn't use David Cameron as an exemplar liberal for example. However, for illustrative purposes I think their relative approaches help bring out the difference in the philosophies.
This approach ignores much of the diversity in modern conservative thought. For example, there is no consideration of all forms of genuine social conservativism which is at best sceptical of LGBT rights, opposes women's rights, and prioritises the nation state and the nuclear family. Similarly there is no examination of fascist, populist, libertarian, or religious conservativism, which are not particularly relevant in a UK context but are in other countries.
To Conclude
In this post I've used the last three Conservative leaders as a way of distinguishing between different facets of anti-conservativism, as well as using anti-conservative ideologies to illustrate the differences between those political leaders.
Liberalism believes in giving people freedom in order to let them improve their lives. This is illustrated by David Cameron's commitment to austerity.
Progressivism believes in addressing social inequalities. This is illustrated by Theresa May's stated commitment to addressing social inequalities.
Social democracy believes in solving problems by throwing money at them. This is illustrated by Boris Johnson's blank chequebook.
In all three cases, conservativism is by far the dominant ideology. But the shades of conservativism are markedly different (particularly in Johnson's case) and help us understand variety within modern conservativism as well as within opposition to conservativism.
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I don’t think it’s a joke: the British Conservative party have a long history of co-opting popular ideas that emerge on the political left in order to gain and hold on to power going back to at least Robert Peel (Tory PM 1834–35 and 1841–46).
It’s been a phenomenally successful electoral strategy over the last two centuries or so.
It also fits with the pragmatic strain in British Conservatism: if a radical idea solves a problem they acknowledge as real, they’ll do it themselves to keep the people content with the establishment.
Yes, not a joke. At the same time I’m not saying they were “[actually] liberal”, I’m saying that they were influenced by ideologies other than conservatism. I did stress that they are all conservatives, but they are a liberal conservative, a progressive conservative, and a big-spending conservative respectively.
One thing to bare in mind is that American political discourse tends to view “liberal” and “conservative” as total opposites. So the more liberal you are, the less conservative you are, and so forth. This isn’t actually a good way of describing the variety of views that politicians have. There are many different strains of thought lumped under “liberal” and “conservative” and part of the purpose of this series is to disentangle them a bit.
One thing to bare in mind is that American political discourse tends to view “liberal” and “conservative” as total opposites. So the more liberal you are, the less conservative you are, and so forth. This isn’t actually a good way of describing the variety of views that politicians have. There are many different strains of thought lumped under “liberal” and “conservative” and part of the purpose of this series is to disentangle them a bit.
In England the Tories seem to favor socialized medicine,but favor privitazing other aspects of society,in America anyone who is republican would be against socialized medicine,even a lot of more moderate democrats in America are against socialized medicine.
In Ireland conservative has more to do with lifestyle,abortion and the traditional catholic church,even in America catholics tend to be liberal on socio-economic issues like justice for the poor and such.
So yes if thats your perspective I would agree with your post.
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I'd probably go further. Much like most modern "right wing" groups close to real power, the Tories aren't conservative at all. They have no ideology or principles (and often used to proudly admit it). They exist solely to obtain office and keep it as long as they can and they will say or do whatever they think will achieve that, which is whatever they imagine to be popular. In the Cameron era it was about aping Blair, Cameron and Osbourne infamously referred to Blair as the "Master" and Boris in many ways is more even more Blair than Blair. With the appeal of Blairite imitation is fading somewhat, now they take on the rhetoric of Brexit and reaction, without really understanding it. Since their usual strategy of treading water is now made impossible by events dear boy, they will certainly make more of a mess of things than usual.
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I think a lot of the things that you guys are saying about British conservatives can also be said about American liberals,American liberals are sort of closet conservatives.Not just the politicians but the liberal citizens as well,American liberals talk liberal but when there spontaneous feelings come out,there more conservative.
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^ I have, before now, toyed with the notion that the US parties are both uncomfortable hybrids:
Democrats - conservatives blended with socialists.
Republicans - Economically focused liberals blended with fundamentalist religious identitarians.
Not sure how well that really works as a concept though...
Democrats - conservatives blended with socialists.
Republicans - Economically focused liberals blended with fundamentalist religious identitarians.
Not sure how well that really works as a concept though...
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In America the first presidents were federalists who free enterprise,good relationship with Britain and anti-French revolution.The federalist evolved into the Wigs,who were then opposed by Andrew Jackson's democratic party,which was a party supporting the will of the common man.
The wigs evolved into the republicans who believed in the morality of the constitution as being greater to the will of the common man in the favor of slavory's abolition.The democrats believed in states rights and the right to practice slavery if most people supported it.
After the civil war started to evolve into there current states,in the great depression FDR a democrat and in the spirit of what the common man wants or needs developed goverment programs to lift people out of the poverty created by the depression.The modern democratic party started there,and Kennedy and Johnson kept the tradition by embracing civil rights in the 60's.
The republicans didn't change much from there inception and opposed the bigger spending and higher taxes of the new democratic party,and were then re energized by the Reagan revolution of the 80's and were then redefined.
Right now both parties as well as conservative and liberal indentity are now again changing and reforming.
A Tory was originaly a derogatory word for an Irish criminal but became associated with strong royal power with catholic Charles the 2nd,Tories came to there present state with Victorian era PM Benjamin Disraeli.
I believe Labour evolved from the wigs,who were more pro parliament,and evolved into less imperial in the Churchill era,and more socialist after the 2nd WW.
Were now in an era where party creeds and political identities are again changing as they always have through out history,who knows what party names will stand for in 30 years.
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^ Mostly correct, except in Britain the Whigs developed into the Liberal Party (currently known as the Liberal Democrats): the Labour Party was formed by an alliance of Trades Unions, middle class socialist debating societies (the Fabian Society would be the most famous of these) and representatives of the co-operative movement*: various Christian and Jewish groups who wanted to restabilise a country they regarded as dangerously divided by the effects of industrialisation were also involved in the origin of the Labour Party.
There were also various splits in both the old Tories and the Whigs which led to switching of members and two-way ideological osmosis as they transformed into the Conservative and Liberal parties across the 19th century: the corn laws and Irish home-rule being the main divisive issues.
*the Labour Party still has a three way internal division between “The Labour Party”, “The Labour and Co-operative Party” and “The Independent Labour Party”... Although as far as I can make out that’s an inherited formality with little practical meaning in our times.

There were also various splits in both the old Tories and the Whigs which led to switching of members and two-way ideological osmosis as they transformed into the Conservative and Liberal parties across the 19th century: the corn laws and Irish home-rule being the main divisive issues.
*the Labour Party still has a three way internal division between “The Labour Party”, “The Labour and Co-operative Party” and “The Independent Labour Party”... Although as far as I can make out that’s an inherited formality with little practical meaning in our times.
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^ I know.
Just having a nit-pick
Although: I think the point that British Whiggery’s ideological descendants are to be found most readily in the Liberal Party, the Conservative Party and the Welsh & Scottish nationalist parties is of relevance.
It’s true they are to be found in the Labour Party as well: but both periods of Labour Whiggery leading that party in postwar Britain (1965-79 and 1994-2015) have been followed by prolonged periods of internal red-on-red hostility and infighting... it’s an uneasy tactical alliance, with a lot of mutual mistrust.
self-defeating mutual mistrust he editorialises at himself.
Not that that’s directly relevant to the development of conservatism in the UK.
Although one could argue that since Labour has been the principle competition for most of the last century that party’s origins, heritage, internal factionalism and continued evolution has been an influence on how British Conservatism has developed over the last three-four generations, and is therefore indirectly relevant.
The defection of various MPs from the Liberal Party to the Conservative Party in the face of Labours rise in popularity over the twenties would be an example of this at its most blatant. Churchill was one of those defectors (which is how the former Liberal war minister & chancellor became The Tory prime minister of the twentieth century)
Indeed: the existence of pro-imperial liberalism was the reason for the Liberal Party splintering over Irish home-rule a generation before.
The stream of thought which saw, and looks back on, the British Empire as a humanitarian project in this country has it’s origins in the Whig movement: although today it’s largely a Conservative cultural phenomenon.
I think we should also note that although in our times dissenting British Christians are generally conservative, for most of the modern era (by which I mean roughly Elizabeth I onwards) they were involved in politics as radicals against Conservative defence of the established Anglican Church’s privileges and influence as an institution.
(Ironically: the secular marriages in court houses some of them deplore as ‘ungodly’ now was one of their greatest victories when it was instituted in the late Georgian period)
Gladstone tried to get home rule passed twice but failed,things would have been very different had it passed,but hindsight is always 20/20.
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