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techstepgenr8tion
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01 Apr 2020, 11:24 am

Someone makes a hard stand on an issue that most people consider to still be open/unsolved, and do so in a way that other people are expected to curtail their ideas to the contrary if they can't address that certainty.

People respond with other valid possibilities and the original poster either carefully picks around the points that are made by other posters and misses the content of their posts or they straight away ignore any posts made that bring up a way of seeing the same issue that they haven't thought of before. This leaves them in a place where they're able to continue along as if no one offered any evidence to the contrary to their original premise all the while filtering out any responses that would have undermined the validity of their original premise.

Also if they get shellacked they often go quiet for a week and come back to do precisely what they were doing before.

I'm seeing this on another forum and I notice it's a common strategy for people who reckon themselves armchair authorities. It needs a good short-hand name because it's just not productive and if anything sours people who are actually trying to parse and compare ideas in an honest way.


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01 Apr 2020, 11:30 am

How about smugnorant?


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01 Apr 2020, 11:40 am

Needs to be verb-centered though. Knocking the person rolls right off, knocking the behavior sticks to the behavior.


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01 Apr 2020, 11:41 am

If I am understanding of your question correctly, I am thinking the term "hyper religiosity." Google it and see if that describes the correct terminology that you are asking of?



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01 Apr 2020, 11:43 am

Troll.



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01 Apr 2020, 11:46 am

I just looked it up - that's an academic take on what happens, it's not quite obvious from the word and its akin to giving a diagnosis. The point is probably to have a one, two, or three word phrase that encapsulates what's happening and effectively ribs someone into some degree of embarrassment so they get out of their rut.

A weak formulation might be something like: reading with mirror-glasses.


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01 Apr 2020, 11:50 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I just looked it up - that's an academic take on what happens, it's not quite obvious from the word and its akin to giving a diagnosis. The point is probably to have a one, two, or three word phrase that encapsulates what's happening and effectively ribs someone into some degree of embarrassment so they get out of their rut.

A weak formulation might be something like: reading with mirror-glasses.


So, are you saying you want more of a slang type of term than what I suggested?



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01 Apr 2020, 11:55 am

Blinded by (insert name of ideology here)



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01 Apr 2020, 11:56 am

Bravo5150 wrote:
So, are you saying you want more of a slang type of term than what I suggested?

I think it would have to be.

The reason why I'm especially interested in this one - you see politicians doing some form of this as well to each other all the time. They'll ignore each other's points, talk passed each other, and refuse to acknowledge that the other's world exists. Sort of like the NPC meme was really good for slapping people who lived on easy-scripts, this seems like it could use a dose of that.


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01 Apr 2020, 12:08 pm

I will have to think, for now, the term closeminded is all I can think of.



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01 Apr 2020, 1:09 pm

Just accuse him of "deflecting".



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01 Apr 2020, 3:40 pm

Is There A Name/Phrase For This Behavior:
Autistic?



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01 Apr 2020, 3:49 pm

Grischa wrote:
Is There A Name/Phrase For This Behavior:
Autistic?


1) The OP said this was happening on ANOTHER website. Not this one. Ergo it's not necessarily an autism support website like this one. Ergo you cant make the assumption that everyone on the site is autistic the way you sorta can here.

2) How is the person's behavior particularly autistic? Sounds like he could be NT, or anything, to me.



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01 Apr 2020, 4:01 pm

"short sightened" then, perhaps
many people live in their own bubble

Or "pre-conventional" (that's from my ever favourite American psychologist Kohlberg) =
x people with strong belief in their own virtues.
x Not such a positive belief about anything outside their own experience,
x usually present themselves as men and women of definite tastes and opinions, with the emphasis on definite



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02 Apr 2020, 11:16 am

I completely understand where you're coming from on this one techstep.

Selective confirmation bias with an aim at influencing the crowd to adopt the same belief? Info filtering when presenting a question which is not intended to dialogue but a form of soliliquy aka a lecture with the appearance of reasoning. Or like Kraftie said, a troll.


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02 Apr 2020, 12:10 pm

pyrrhicwren wrote:
I completely understand where you're coming from on this one techstep.

Selective confirmation bias with an aim at influencing the crowd to adopt the same belief? Info filtering when presenting a question which is not intended to dialogue but a form of soliliquy aka a lecture with the appearance of reasoning. Or like Kraftie said, a troll.


That's fair.

A good way to phrase the problem perhaps as well - maybe not most people this days but a lot of people have the sense that if someone's given authority that they need to earn that authority with some degree of competence, and they get irritated when they see that authority being abused. Sometimes that anger can be sheer territoriality, like some biologist not liking it when an organic chemist invades their turf too much or a psychologist not living evolutionary psych if game theory is threatening to their camp but at other times people genuinely are speaking or dismissing from ignorance and it's overextension of what might be real qualifications in a narrow domain and the topic being then discussed with strong opinion isn't one where they seem to really know what they're talking about but they're bringing their authority badge in regardless.

If you see someone that does seem to have encyclopedic knowledge of something fall face first into that knowledge as well and then seem to speak with authority on other domains as if their domain eradicates the existence of conflicting domains of knowledge - I suppose there's enough plausible deniability they can use that they have blinders or tunnel-vision on because their attention and knowledge base has been hypersaturated in a particular manner, but I think that's only forgivable if that's actually open to correction (or if the other person's wrong actually being able to articulate why without hand-waving or social status tactics) and if they continue on with every conversation as if they're right and the only way you can differ with them and have them register the words as having been spoken or written is differing with them by either telling them that their right or presenting the most dumbed-down, caricatured, or effete version of another side's case and they filter all else out and persistently do so - you have to gather that what they're up to is more Darwinian than truth-seeking or fact-finding.

I could give public figure examples but I almost feel like it's better to keep this content neutral because I don't think the 'Ah - that's someone you're putting in this category because they disagree with you!' is valid but it tends to be quite powerful for derailing topics and making them vanish down the memory hole. What I would say is that what's far more interesting to me than the specifics of what a person beliefs and doesn't believe at a given time is how they go about communication and discourse with people whom they disagree with - ie. their style of communication, their efforts or lack thereof to unpack other people's points in full fidelity, we tend to be highly forgiving of failings in this area - that's okay unless you're both investing someone with social authority and consequence AND forgiving them so many communicative and analytical failings that their granted power is twisting the landscape. For example - the moment people are afraid to say things that most people in a room know are true around a person (good example might be a political ideologue in a board room), if everyone cowers from the potential fallout of that person realizing someone both disagrees with them and is willing to disagree in their presence - societal collapse seems like made of thousands of such abdications, conveniences, paths of least resistance, etc..


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